‘wouldn’t it be a lot better to explain politely why Jen’s friends are not a weird fucked lot rather than / without calling the writer a Hardcore Anti-Jen Friender?’

As the ‘weird fucked lot’ is emotive name calling, it’s impossible to argue against it. It doesn’t actually have any substance OTHER than as an insult and name calling.

As I explained above, I was just using the term ‘hardcore Anti-Christian’ as Curiosity had originally used the term. I was throwing it back at them so they could see that they were being the ‘hardcore’ type of person they claimed they so loathed. It’s actually a logical type of arguement and used quite often (it even has a latin name, but I can’t remember what it’s called at this time).

That was my third post regarding what Curiosity had said. If you read the other ones, you’ll see I argued against some of the issues.

However, on the third post I went through what was said line by line.

The line:
“are a weird fucked lot”

Is emotive and without foundation, as such, it is a hardcore and anti-Christian stand. So, telling me off for using a term which fitted is incorrect. As previously stated, it was also used to show Curiosity that they were being the type of person they so loathed.

As someone who speaks more than one language, I don’t think I’ve ever encountered anyone who would use such a harsh term as ‘Weird Fucked Lot’ only because they thought it was cool.

That term is meant to offend & to ridicule. It’s blatant name calling of the worst kind, as it is baseless.

Thus the line:
the more I read it, the more I realise I’m up against a Hardcore Anti-Christian

As there is no other interpretation for the ‘weird fucked up’ line other than as an insult.
[And I had every right to take it personally].

I’ve had a few discussions with Curiosity on line, and Curiosity’s English is quite okay.

Curiosity has since admitted it didn’t come out as intended, and I accept that. We all have foot in mouth disease at times, BUT, as it was written, it was blatantly anti-Christian. I can only argue against what I am reading, and not what was intended by the writer.

‘…making PERSONAL attacks when arguing an issue was a bad … strategy? … of arguing.’

As I said, you’re showing your own bias, as Curiosity was name calling, and I just through back one of the terms used, whcih actually fitted.

As for not making it personal, Curiosity had already made it personal. Once again your own bias is showing.

After all, you singling me out was also personal.

As for Curiosity’s writing style, from what was explained to me, was it was written in a hurry, and as such not much thought was put into it. Curiosity’s explanation of what was meant to be said was equally as personally offensive to all Christians and as such myself. It still came down to Curiosity calling all Christians a ‘Weird Fucked Lot’.

On further discussion however, it was admitted that the term was too broad and should have been restricted to those whom Curiosity knew.

Like I said though, I wasn’t offended by you, (I was offended by Curiosity though, but we’ve sorted that out).

So, whether you can see your bias or not probably doesn’t really matter. It’s water under the bridge as far as I am concerned.

So, let’s have peace between us (I doubt any one else is reading this far back anyway).

“Jen’s friends are a weird fucked lot”

wouldn’t it be a lot better to explain politely why Jen’s friends are not a weird fucked lot rather than / without calling the writer a Hardcore Anti-Jen Friender?

As for the reason why I said Curiousity had a mild case of anti Christian bias which you picked upon as implying my own bias, (and this will probably come off as arrogant) it was because from his/her general writing style it seemed to me that he/she was using terms like “weird fucked lot” more as … how do I put this … an expression … something that is cool to say … alright I am not explaining this very well … have you ever read essays written by people for whom english is a second or third language that they are not very comfortable with - the ones I have encountered have usually put things in more forceful words than the author actually meant - made more generalisations than they realised. And Curiousity’s writing style made me think of someone fairly young for whom English is not a first language. I may be entirely wrong of course. On the other hand, it seems to me that you are fluent enough in English to be able to control the nuance and flow of your words such that it more accurately reflects what you meant to say.

I apologize for having (inadvertently) offended you and hope this clears things up.

‘Ya hor, what happened after he resurrected har?’

Jesus appeared before the apostles, and others. Then ascended to Heaven. [It's in the Bible.]

‘How was his life?’

So his life’s been pretty good since.

Ya hor, what happened after he resurrected har? How was his life?

Just sharing, I am a Buddhist and as I knew Buddha is dead. He just ceased to exist anymore. Just like Neo, Trinity, Morphues and the rest of the people who live in Zion. Cool huh…

Imagine someone came on this site and made the statement:
Jen’s friends are a weird fucked lot.
and
Jen’s hardcore friends are weird.

I then react by saying that person is a Hardcore Anti-Jen Friender.

What you’re trying to tell me by your reply is that the first person has a mild bias against your friends, while I am a name caller?

Sorry, but you’re so wrong, you’re biased.

Undernourished vegetarians abound. As do people who eat beef 3x each day for years and perhaps experience some constipation!

However it is most unusual in my (albiet limited) experience, for someone to shun the yummy tasty naturally raised beef but to eat the horrid piggy flesh, usually raised in unclean conditions & regadless tastes rather unappealing.

Your choice love, it is not my “problem” if your tastebuds get no treats and your tummy has to cope with repulsive fare.

Second, you make yourself into a hypocrite when you take terms like:
‘Religious Harcore Nazis’
and
‘Hardcore Anti-Christian’
and tell me off for using them when I was using Curiousity’s TERMS and throwing them back.

NOTE: Curiousity used the HARDCORE RELIGIOUS term first.
‘all hardcore religious enthusiasts are just weird’

What you’ve basically said is Curiousity is allowed to call me that but when I use the term back I’m in the wrong??? Sorry, but if you were being unbaised then Curiousity and I would both be as bad as each other …

And telling me off for calling names … this is what I was reacting to.
‘Christians are and can abd a weird fucked lot’

So to you having someone use terms saying that Christians are a weird Fucked lot is just
a MILD BIAS, while my throwing back terms used against Christians is bad and makes me look like an idiot????

Sorry, your finger pointing is pointing back at yourself and showing your own bias.

Now if you think Curiousity calling me and other Christians ‘Weird fucked lot’ etc is MILD compared to what I said, then maybe you need to take a good look at what was actually said, and approach it objectively.

But, as I said, Curiosity and I have sorted this out and we’re cool with each other. As was explained to me, the ‘Weird Fucked Lot’ wasn’t what was meant, and I’ve accepted that. But like I wrote to Curiousity on my site, if you place any group you belong to and put it in place of the ‘Christian’ you’ll probably get a good understanding of what I was reacting to.

I’m sure if I called you ‘WEIRD AND FUCKED’, you wouldn’t be dismissing it as a mild bias.
I certainly didn’t and I think most the readers here understood WHY I was upset by the terms.

So don’t come here and tell me someone calling people ‘Weird Fucked and Hardcore’ is mild compared to me calling them ‘Hardcore’ back!

It really shows that you don’t care about religious intolerance and you are willing to stand up and tell people off for standing up against it.

I might add that me calling Curiousity ‘Hardcore’ is not name calling either, as the broad generalisation of calling Christians ‘Weird and fucked’ is actually a HARDCORE ANTI-CHRISTIAN stand … so it’s not name calling, as the label fitted what was written (as i said, Curiousity has since explained the term wasn’t ment to be so broad).

So take a deep breath and lets all be friends. okay????

My appologies to Curiousity for this coming up again.