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		<title>By: minishorts</title>
		<link>http://www.minishorts.net/2006/01/25/it-isnt-about-english/#comment-15716</link>
		<dc:creator>minishorts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 02:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ahahah Albert: As editors we use blue pens and mark spelling errors as 'sp', and circle them up. Thanks for telling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ahahah Albert: As editors we use blue pens and mark spelling errors as &#8217;sp&#8217;, and circle them up. Thanks for telling.</p>
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		<title>By: Albert Ng</title>
		<link>http://www.minishorts.net/2006/01/25/it-isnt-about-english/#comment-15715</link>
		<dc:creator>Albert Ng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 02:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know if anybody noticed this, but a green zig-zag line appeared in my head when I read the second sentence: " I happen to expect the people whose duty is to educated younger people to be of a certain quality."

That said, I vote Azmyl Yunor for "coolest lecturer in a rock band" and Mack Zulkifli for "most charismatic, funny lecturer". Well, these two are taken outside of the context of lecturing as we have never been in the same lecture hall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if anybody noticed this, but a green zig-zag line appeared in my head when I read the second sentence: &#8221; I happen to expect the people whose duty is to educated younger people to be of a certain quality.&#8221;</p>
<p>That said, I vote Azmyl Yunor for &#8220;coolest lecturer in a rock band&#8221; and Mack Zulkifli for &#8220;most charismatic, funny lecturer&#8221;. Well, these two are taken outside of the context of lecturing as we have never been in the same lecture hall.</p>
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		<title>By: Swifty</title>
		<link>http://www.minishorts.net/2006/01/25/it-isnt-about-english/#comment-12578</link>
		<dc:creator>Swifty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2006 03:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Despite my usually coolness, I am pretty much a hot-blooded patriot who is constantly worried about the social ills of my country. Just that I conceal it with a mask of indifference. I am like an onion with many layers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite my usually coolness, I am pretty much a hot-blooded patriot who is constantly worried about the social ills of my country. Just that I conceal it with a mask of indifference. I am like an onion with many layers.</p>
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		<title>By: minishorts</title>
		<link>http://www.minishorts.net/2006/01/25/it-isnt-about-english/#comment-12572</link>
		<dc:creator>minishorts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2006 01:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cherubs: I think hoh, when you said' ok i'll accept what you said, ms, i didn't know you're in the same service, i thought you're an editor', it gave the impression that you meant that only educators were qualified to criticise. that's why Swifty got riled up. 

Getting riled up is good, especially if the issue discussed is something heavy. Like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cherubs: I think hoh, when you said&#8217; ok i&#8217;ll accept what you said, ms, i didn&#8217;t know you&#8217;re in the same service, i thought you&#8217;re an editor&#8217;, it gave the impression that you meant that only educators were qualified to criticise. that&#8217;s why Swifty got riled up. </p>
<p>Getting riled up is good, especially if the issue discussed is something heavy. Like this.</p>
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		<title>By: cherubs</title>
		<link>http://www.minishorts.net/2006/01/25/it-isnt-about-english/#comment-12571</link>
		<dc:creator>cherubs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2006 01:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Swifty: insider/ousider does it really matter, everyone is free to criticize. i had my fair share of ridiculous criticisms too. not so sure about 'machinations of the industry', but there is a code of conduct and by-laws to follow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Swifty: insider/ousider does it really matter, everyone is free to criticize. i had my fair share of ridiculous criticisms too. not so sure about &#8216;machinations of the industry&#8217;, but there is a code of conduct and by-laws to follow.</p>
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		<title>By: Swifty</title>
		<link>http://www.minishorts.net/2006/01/25/it-isnt-about-english/#comment-12570</link>
		<dc:creator>Swifty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Cherubs, I am rather curious by your previous comments, perhaps I can't help but feel that you are more forgiving if it is an insider who criticizes an industry, and not one who is an outsider. Could it be possible that outsiders are not 'qualified' to make their criticisms because they 'don't know' the machinations of the industry enough?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Cherubs, I am rather curious by your previous comments, perhaps I can&#8217;t help but feel that you are more forgiving if it is an insider who criticizes an industry, and not one who is an outsider. Could it be possible that outsiders are not &#8216;qualified&#8217; to make their criticisms because they &#8216;don&#8217;t know&#8217; the machinations of the industry enough?</p>
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		<title>By: Mei</title>
		<link>http://www.minishorts.net/2006/01/25/it-isnt-about-english/#comment-12567</link>
		<dc:creator>Mei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The education sector is not just any other money-making industry out there. It is special simply because of what it does - educate our young people - and as such we have to take care of what sort of people we employ/desire to educate our young ones. 

There are many wonderful, dedicated and caring lecturers out there. But along with them are the ones who are in it for just "less stress" or "just another job" sort of thing - which should never be the case. Perhaps I'm old-fashioned, thinking that teaching is a noble profession, thinking that when I'm an educator, my responsibility is not to myself first but to my students.

I don't think MS meant to say a lecturer is not allowed to have fun, not allowed to do this or that. It is substance that she is concerned about. And substance transcends image.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The education sector is not just any other money-making industry out there. It is special simply because of what it does - educate our young people - and as such we have to take care of what sort of people we employ/desire to educate our young ones. </p>
<p>There are many wonderful, dedicated and caring lecturers out there. But along with them are the ones who are in it for just &#8220;less stress&#8221; or &#8220;just another job&#8221; sort of thing - which should never be the case. Perhaps I&#8217;m old-fashioned, thinking that teaching is a noble profession, thinking that when I&#8217;m an educator, my responsibility is not to myself first but to my students.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think MS meant to say a lecturer is not allowed to have fun, not allowed to do this or that. It is substance that she is concerned about. And substance transcends image.</p>
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		<title>By: cherubs</title>
		<link>http://www.minishorts.net/2006/01/25/it-isnt-about-english/#comment-12557</link>
		<dc:creator>cherubs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there are good and bad teachers, you may have chanced upon a bad one. your detractors do not give you a break coz they enjoy seeing you get all worked up. that's the fun part about reading minishorts!

my apologies once again if my harmless comments got you started. btw, i do not read the pink bucket of shit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there are good and bad teachers, you may have chanced upon a bad one. your detractors do not give you a break coz they enjoy seeing you get all worked up. that&#8217;s the fun part about reading minishorts!</p>
<p>my apologies once again if my harmless comments got you started. btw, i do not read the pink bucket of shit.</p>
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		<title>By: plink</title>
		<link>http://www.minishorts.net/2006/01/25/it-isnt-about-english/#comment-12556</link>
		<dc:creator>plink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is part of a much larger problem. 'Sekadar cukup,' and 'simply bantai,' are just two of the results of Tall Poppy Syndrome. 

Our culture is to destroy those who are overtly good at what they do. This highly destructive form of jealousy goes beyond the personal level. Eventually, the only ones who remain are 'sekadar cari makan jelah,' and they know it.

This is the paradox: despite knowing their shortcomings and despite knowing that they have shortcomings, this group of people cannot or will not address its problems. They may feel insecure, threatened or otherwise unable to do so.

'I lecturer or you lecturer?'
This is the fastest I know of for  educators and trainers to lose the respect and enthusiasm of their trainees. Coupled with the inability to engage in intelligent discussion, this makes the learning experience a pale imitation of what it ought to be. When an almost wilful mediocrity is added to the mix, things start to get very difficult indeed.

Perhaps it's just us. Perhaps we're quite good at this thinking business. Perhaps thinking is actually quite difficult to do. Perhaps there are loads of people out there who, despite the best coaching and the best intentions, will never be able to think the way we can. Perhaps.

We could be in very deep trouble: Tall Poppy Syndrome also operates amongst the students. :sad:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is part of a much larger problem. &#8216;Sekadar cukup,&#8217; and &#8217;simply bantai,&#8217; are just two of the results of Tall Poppy Syndrome. </p>
<p>Our culture is to destroy those who are overtly good at what they do. This highly destructive form of jealousy goes beyond the personal level. Eventually, the only ones who remain are &#8217;sekadar cari makan jelah,&#8217; and they know it.</p>
<p>This is the paradox: despite knowing their shortcomings and despite knowing that they have shortcomings, this group of people cannot or will not address its problems. They may feel insecure, threatened or otherwise unable to do so.</p>
<p>&#8216;I lecturer or you lecturer?&#8217;<br />
This is the fastest I know of for  educators and trainers to lose the respect and enthusiasm of their trainees. Coupled with the inability to engage in intelligent discussion, this makes the learning experience a pale imitation of what it ought to be. When an almost wilful mediocrity is added to the mix, things start to get very difficult indeed.</p>
<p>Perhaps it&#8217;s just us. Perhaps we&#8217;re quite good at this thinking business. Perhaps thinking is actually quite difficult to do. Perhaps there are loads of people out there who, despite the best coaching and the best intentions, will never be able to think the way we can. Perhaps.</p>
<p>We could be in very deep trouble: Tall Poppy Syndrome also operates amongst the students. <img src='http://www.minishorts.net/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':sad:' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: minishorts</title>
		<link>http://www.minishorts.net/2006/01/25/it-isnt-about-english/#comment-12555</link>
		<dc:creator>minishorts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you forgot to add 'educational' before publishing. And yeah, so if I'm not a teacher, I can't criticize teachers, is that it? 

I think it's like this, cherubs, it's not as simple as 'giving a break'. Sure i can give these things a break, my expectations can be lowered, i'm not such a nitpicky ass all the time. But let's not talk about lecturers then, let's talk about Policemen, and the way some policemen are behaving now (on and off duty), you still wanna go with the 'give them a break' attitude? 

The Prime Minister, say he gets lackasaidal sometimes, he says weird things that make the nation go 'wtf'. But never mind that, let's be kind it this way, 'Ah, he was on holiday, let's give him a break.' 

Let's look closer to home, XX and her racist posts, do you guys want to give her a break? She's read by so many people, she's got the influencing power, but she borders on racism. There's half of the masses saying she's got to be more responsible, the other half goes, 'Give her a break.' So which side of the fence are you on? 

And when I do make my mistakes, (I make them all the time), do you see my detractors giving me that break? It's all right to be kind and nice, but sometimes, its kinder to be cruel. That's why even though they hurt me too, I have to be thankful that they're there to keep me in check. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you forgot to add &#8216;educational&#8217; before publishing. And yeah, so if I&#8217;m not a teacher, I can&#8217;t criticize teachers, is that it? </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s like this, cherubs, it&#8217;s not as simple as &#8216;giving a break&#8217;. Sure i can give these things a break, my expectations can be lowered, i&#8217;m not such a nitpicky ass all the time. But let&#8217;s not talk about lecturers then, let&#8217;s talk about Policemen, and the way some policemen are behaving now (on and off duty), you still wanna go with the &#8216;give them a break&#8217; attitude? </p>
<p>The Prime Minister, say he gets lackasaidal sometimes, he says weird things that make the nation go &#8216;wtf&#8217;. But never mind that, let&#8217;s be kind it this way, &#8216;Ah, he was on holiday, let&#8217;s give him a break.&#8217; </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s look closer to home, XX and her racist posts, do you guys want to give her a break? She&#8217;s read by so many people, she&#8217;s got the influencing power, but she borders on racism. There&#8217;s half of the masses saying she&#8217;s got to be more responsible, the other half goes, &#8216;Give her a break.&#8217; So which side of the fence are you on? </p>
<p>And when I do make my mistakes, (I make them all the time), do you see my detractors giving me that break? It&#8217;s all right to be kind and nice, but sometimes, its kinder to be cruel. That&#8217;s why even though they hurt me too, I have to be thankful that they&#8217;re there to keep me in check.</p>
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