Hiding behind God
While we're getting all riled up over silly debates over what is ignorance, what is maturity and who can afford single-digit number plates, more important figures are talking about things that really pertain the nation, such as that article by a certain prominent Women's Activist (whether or not she's someone's daughter, does it matter really?), and reactions like this.
I thought it funny of course that my skewed opinion of horny bastards too had to appear on International Women's Day. But never mind that, which was, what I thought, a demonstration of responsible freedom of speech. It sounded pretty sensible to me in a nonsensical way, and of course, provocative at the same time… but really, the feedbacks that came in the lines of, 'Screw you you horny virgin you're only saying that because you don't have experience,' are pretty astounding. Considering the fact that these people will most likely blog about ugly fat women who have asses too big to fit into triple-XL sized pants.
But before you say screw you Minishorts you have no regards for beauty in its entirety everyone is beautiful and who are you to say so-and-so is ugly or not your ugly fucked up bitch, I say it back to you, 'Well you just called me ugly. So, touché.'
But see, we're talking about something important which I of course have to present in a very opinionated way and this is, by no means, not an article. (No Vince, we do not write articles.) Articles are pieces of work who have probably seen the eyes of at least ONE editor prior to publication. Such as that article by Marina Mahathir which is yet to be published.
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So I was looking at parts of the big picture and it suddenly hit me that while we're in an era where borders are almost rendered invisible, with the Internet, and that freedom of expression is celebrated so joyously, maybe we don't really want freedom at all. I mean when multiple-channeled communications so often hit points of saturation, don't you feel ever, ever, feel that the chaotic atmosphere of differing opinions make you wanna scream 'ORDER ORDER ORDER!'
Just so that you can have some peace and quiet after all.
I don't know. I know that, of course, when I decided to post about how I felt whenever I encountered a horny bastard (come on you all met that dirty old man whose eyes slanted at you shiftily before), I wasn't really thinking. I just got out of a conversation with a friend and it was mightily enjoyable so I decided to write about it. Hey, freedom of expression, practised, my way. Not very responsibly of course, but not like it was going to cause a bunch of horny bastards to scream 'Order order order!', right?
Quite unlike the times when we're talking racist opinions, where of course we have to be careful to not talk about things that lie under the calm waters. But hey, who is to say that all is silent under the deep blue sea?
You see, the problem with women talking about our rights is just this… all too often through the ages women have been subdued. I myself was brought up with the mantra, 'Little girls should be seen and not heard.' God gave women voices after all, yet sometimes, the way men react to us and tell you it's best to keep quiet because our opinions are contradicting, that can be rather paradoxical, eh?
Especially when one opinion is accused by Man of challenging a Word of God.
Oh I'm not qualified to talk about another religion, so I will not touch on that, least someone comes along and points a finger at me to talking about things that I don't know half about. Yes I don't know half about a lot of things, and among these things of course is the very fact and awareness that I am not qualified to discuss something as sensitive as comparative religion and interfaith issues. As it is, I also feel that there isn't anyone on earth who is qualified to discuss these things, examples: Specimen A, Specimen B.
But never mind that, I'll talk about Leviticus and Deuteronomy first, among some other parts of the Old Testament, which contain several rules deemed necessary by the Pharisees in order for order and peace to exist. Also please understand I'm not bashing up the Holy Bible per se, just that I'm going to use parts of it to illustrate what I'm trying to say.
Two examples first,
Leviticus 11:2-3 - '… The animals you may use for food include those that have completely divided hooves and chew the cud. You may not, however, eat the animals named here, because they either have split hooves or chew the cud, but not both…'
11:8 'And the pig may not be eaten, for though it has split hooves, it does not chew the cud. And you may not eat the meat of these animals or touch their dead bodies. They are ceremonially unclean for you.'
Leviticus 7:22-27 - Then the Lord said to Moses, 'Give the Israelites these instructions: You must never eat fat, whether from oxen or sheep or goats. The fat of an animal found dead or killed by a wild animal may never be eaten, though it may be used for any other purpose. Anyone who eats fat from an offering given to the Lord by fire must be cut off from the community. Even in your homes, you must never eat the blood of any bird or animal. Anyone who eats blood must be cut off from the community.'
And then,
Leviticus 15:19-23 - Whenever a woman has her menstrual period, she will be cermonially unclean for seven days. If you touch her during that time, you will be defiled until evening. Anything on which she lies or sits during that time will be defiled. If you touch her bed, you must wash your clothes and bathe in water, and you will remain defiled until evening. The same applied if you touch an object on which she sits, whether it is her bedding or any piece of furniture.
Try more,
Deutoronomy 23:1-2, on Regulations concerning Worship - 'If a man's testicles are crushed or his penis us cut off, he may not be included in the assembly of the Lord. Those of illegitimate birth and their descendants for ten generations may not be included in the assembly of the Lord.'
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I don't know about you, but if we really wanted to ahhere so strictly to the entire bible, we'd be in a fix all the time. It is pretty much impossible to adhere to such a law that even on print, looks rather, to put it crudely, discriminating, to animals, women and men alike. And yet, it appears that Christians are disobeying these laws all the time. We eat pork, we go to church even on days when we're having our period, and I personally think its terrible to deny an illegitimate child, of God. After all, he didn't choose to be born to this earth, why should his generations be accursed for something he didn't do? (Don't quote original sin to me if you're a Fundamentalist).
Now that is not to say I appraise people who burn bibles and holy books. In Acts 15, there is this letter to the Gentile Believers, that clears the confusion regarding the laws in the Old Testament,
We understand that some men from here have troubled you and upset you with their teaching, but they have no such instructions from us… For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay no greater burden on you than these requirements: You must abstain from eating food offered to idols, from consuming blood or eating the meat of strangled animals, and from sexual immorality. If you do this, you will do well.'
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Then again, I did read in this site and sites of other Fundamentalists who doubt the divinity of the Bible that Paul was a drunkard and skewed God's Word to his advantage. Et cetera, et cetera, blasphemous, no less, but so far no huge protests just yet.
I think it's because amidst all this fervour to turn to God and religion as a fundamental pillar of trust and support, the majority of us still realize that Earth is not Heaven and we still have to exist with our different opinions in the most peaceful manner possible, whether we like it or not. At least, we keep reminding ourselves that because only the most qualified people are allowed to go to Heaven, and we're going to Heaven anyway and all these idiots will burn in Hell, we busy ourselves with our everyday lives and choose to shake our heads in horror and turn the other cheek.
Usually.
Except in recent months, while we're all celebrating freedom of expression and the pike of civilisation in a time when humans beings finally seem to be able to grasp that concept of respecting another person's differences, EVERY TIME someone actually demonstrates true freedom of expression, he gets virtually cruxified for his opinions because they're so bloody radical and irresponsible.
So comes the rhetorical question: what is responsible, what is irresponsible?
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I'm just thinking on Marina's article right now, and of course, me being a woman, I think it's a sensible article with some valid points. So I'm not Muslim, does it matter? And don't come to me with, 'You're not a Muslim it's none of your business'. The last time some people drew cartoons in another country no one said, 'You're not Danish it's none of your business' either.
Let me put it this way, I'm human, I'm Malaysian, and I have an opinion that begs to be heard and this is only the blog of someone quite stupid, some say. *Disclaimer* So please, by all means, disregard me after reading this.
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I just feel that if you strip away all the religious curtains and veils, it boils down to this, 'Some men just do not like it very much when a woman is vocal enough to say what she thinks.'
And then to shield this very selfish demeanour they cover themselves with armours of religious scripture, quoting line after line and praising God at the same time. Yet don't you think it is pretty unholy of them to call Sisters in Islam 'a sisterhood of Muslim liberals who are the culprits of selling out this blessed faith for cheap publicity and God knows what else?'
Just strip religion away from the standing issue please, don't pollute God in your fervour to be heard. We will hear you anyway, whether or not we agree with you is up to us. Besides, there is nothing more cowardly than a man who hides behind his God in order to subdue a so-called lesser gender.
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Bible quotations taken from the New Living Translation.
March 10th, 2006 at 11:49 am
I’m just glad that my close guy friends and most importantly, my man respect my opinions and do not just push it aside when they do not agree with me but instead, they share their opinions in a very humble and civilised manner. Never once did they look down on my reasoning ability and all that. I have a close friend whom I grew up with who once said to me,
“S-Kay, you always say things that don’t sound like it made sense AT ALL but when you really think about it deeply, it really does make perfect sense”.
That I believe happened only because he was able to put himself in my shoes and try his very best to look at things from my perspective.
March 10th, 2006 at 12:00 pm
S-kay, you spoke too soon. Let’s wait till your turn to marry your Muslim boyfriend then see if he or his family forces you to convert or not, whether you agree or disagree.
That day will come for you.
March 10th, 2006 at 12:13 pm
This is why if I’m going to marry, it isn’t going to be in Malaysia. I am not going to force my fiance to be in something she doesn’t want to be. We all have a right to a choice and I’ll do whatever it takes to give my own family that choice.
Never again will we be forced to be in something we don’t want to be.
March 10th, 2006 at 12:20 pm
Edrei: Thumbs up to you, you have my respect.
March 10th, 2006 at 12:21 pm
Edrei. Thumbs up to you, you have my respect. Good luck to you and your other half.
March 10th, 2006 at 12:25 pm
It seems my comments are not welcomed, and flagged as spam. Anyway, I guess some people can’t handle the truth. Oh well.
sorry yah my spam karma has a life of its own. i think you clicked submit comment too many times. the spam system has to be in place because there’s a lot of viagra selling machines online.
March 10th, 2006 at 12:25 pm
that’s godawful long for something so obvious
March 10th, 2006 at 12:26 pm
Thumbs up Edrei, respect to you. Good luck to you and your other half.
March 10th, 2006 at 1:21 pm
call me spelling nazi but isn’t it supposed to be Deuteronomy instead of Deutoronomy?
nah you just have very sharp eyes. i spelt the second-mentioned wrongly, among other errors strewn in the passage. why don’t you do a thorough checking and send me your notes. thanks. oh btw, since we’re at this, and your point pertaining this whole thing is?
March 10th, 2006 at 1:42 pm
observer : You also speak too soon. Do you not think that that is Skay’s problem to handle? How would you know what strangers feel? How do you know she’s never thought about it? I don’t know either, and nobody else knows either, and that is why we keep our gobs to ourselves.
March 10th, 2006 at 1:48 pm
Observer : You spoke too soon yourself. I was talking about women being vocal amongst men.
Do not speak as though you know my personal life that well. The topic of being forced or not to convert has long been solved and it is between me, him, and both our families. If you don’t mind, keep yourself away from another person’s personal life. You’ll give others a better impression of you.
March 10th, 2006 at 1:50 pm
nah, just being annoying. I’m bored, that’s all. =(
March 10th, 2006 at 1:51 pm
Ahah…Vincent spoke before me =)
March 10th, 2006 at 2:46 pm
hmmm..
March 10th, 2006 at 2:49 pm
A relationship between a Muslim and a Non-Muslim usually ends up like this.
1. Non-Muslim converts to Muslim, not true to religion but out of force or emotional blackmail. “You love me, you convert bla bla.”
2. Non-Muslim refuses to convert, and Muslim agrees not to force, and therefore both runs away to a country where no such laws are forced on them.
3. Non-Muslim refuses to convert, remains in country, proceeds to marriage and if eventually got found out by the religious authorities, well, don’t wanna speculate.
4. Muslim renounces his religion, inviting unwanted attention when found out by Jabatan Agama, refer to 3.
5. The couple ends the relationship.
If it’s solved and you remain in Malaysia, it’s either YOU convert, or if it’s solved but you’re not remaining in Malaysia and don’t convert, so both of you have to get out of this country. This is based on the assumption that the 2 of you will be together no matter what. Any other alternatives could be deadend or get you in trouble, but I do appreciate any extra ideas available for couples in such a tight relationship. Care to share with the public how to solve this sticky issue so everyone can benefit in such relationships ?
If you don’t want others to talk about your personal life then don’t make it publicly known.
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Selective moderation.
I believe minishorts have implemented a selective moderation option disguised as a spam filter, with excuses such as repetitive submissions which is not true.
What a sneaky way to moderate comments by commentators you dislike and can’t rebutt.
March 10th, 2006 at 3:03 pm
jamiroquai:
If you don’t want others to talk about your personal life then don’t make it publicly known.
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that’s also a pretty sneaky way to justify cowardly behavior of hiding behind nicknames and blasting off other people’s lifestyles. and secondly, if i had so much time to selectively moderate comments just so that i’d approve comments from ppl i like only, your comments wouldn’t appear on this site at all.
haven’t you heard of spam karma?
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how the hell did the discussion morph to conversion anyway? if a woman/man chooses to convert, is there ANYTHING wrong with that? her choices are her own, and we are yet to see the outcome of her choices as these are yet to come, so how come these people can start to play soothsayers and tarot card readers? oh heck what was i talking about again?
men hiding behind God and their so-called armour of knowledge just to talk their version of sense into other people who have the right to their own choices.
March 10th, 2006 at 3:17 pm
Apologies about the moderation attempt comment.
Since Skay said it’s a problem solved, I am sure it will benefit everyone who may be in such a situation to know how it could be done, assuming of course one does not want to convert.
So Skay, can you present options to everyone who may be interested to know how this problem can be solved? I am not asking you to talk about your personal life. Just asking your opinion on how to solve such issues.
March 10th, 2006 at 3:33 pm
Jamiroquai : LOL..are you kidding me? I’m sorry, I prefer to keep my personal solutions on my relationship personal because I do not want some people to go around talking about my personal life and make it publicly known on my behalf. As I have said earlier,
“….it is between me, him, and both our families”. Which part of this sentence do you not understand? (even though this especially for the “observer”)
And this is not an “about S-Kay” entry you know? So, do focus on the main issue of (refer to the last two lines of comment no.14) and share with us your thoughts on it.
March 10th, 2006 at 3:33 pm
On why I am asking this question.
Here we have a girl who is in a relationship where religion could be an issue, and could possibly override her rights. It is an interfaith issue I am sure everyone agrees.
She claims to have solved the issue, and so I guess it somehow should have relation to Minishort’s article about women and religion.
What better way to benefit women than to share with everyone how you have solved this problem?
March 10th, 2006 at 3:40 pm
Great, so some women are not happy about how religion affects them and their rights personally, but when they have solved the problem, they refused to share it with the rest of the world who may be facing the same situation.
Some women complain of not enough of free speech due to religious pressure. But when given the chance to offer their free speech solution to issues such as interfaith relationships, they refuse to speak up.
March 10th, 2006 at 3:42 pm
Religion do not have to be an issue if you don’t make it an issue.
So since you said,
“Here we have a girl who is in a relationship where religion could be an issue,….”
I’m sorry to have to disappoint ‘those’ who might be ‘interested’, that I have nothing to share =) But if you people are really still interested, you may want to search the public directory for a list of women converts and seek their advices? There, a better solution =)
March 10th, 2006 at 3:46 pm
Hi S-Kay
Just out of curiousity, at least, share with us the gist of how you are going to over come the difference in religion.
Really, observer has a point, if you have come up with a solution that doesn’t break any laws, doesn’t require you to leave the country, doesn’t required you to convert (?) etc then it really would be beneficial for others to know.
I don’t know much about all this conversion business, but it’s very interesting because it’s a bit one-sided and required by law?
Well, if I’m wrong, just let me know.
March 10th, 2006 at 3:48 pm
“you may want to search the public directory for a list of women converts and seek their advices?”
Ah by this pointer, so it seems, I guess you took the path to conversion. That is one solution.
But of course, that may not be practical to those who are strong and adamant about staying faithful to their own religion. The only option would have to be migration, unfortunately, but fortunately at the same time, opportunities could be much brighter elsewhere where there will be no compulsion by state/law.
So I guess there’re no other options other than the ones presented in one of the posts above. If anyone does have any other solutions which does not involve conversion/submission, do share it with us.
March 10th, 2006 at 3:53 pm
In reference with your comment (no.18)
Which is why I mentioned earlier to Observer that if you don’t know anything about a stranger’s personal life, don’t talk about it as if you know. How would you know if I’m affected by it or not and etc. All you have in your head are pure assumptions.
C’mon, you’re already contradicting your earlier comment on not making my personal life publicly known if I don’t want people to talk about it. And now, you want me to talk about my personal solution and share it with the public? *smirks*
March 10th, 2006 at 3:56 pm
I’m sorry but I will not allow the discussion here to talk about how you can marry a muslim without converting. I know that you have a right to say whatever you want, but if the discussion gets out of hand then I will have to turn off comments.
The current discussion is still this, that many people are hiding behind the shield of God to do whatever they like.
Don’t use this post as a shield to attack other people’s choices in religion.
March 10th, 2006 at 4:03 pm
I think many religious ideologies have been twisted and abused to suit the needs of whichever person whom seeked to deitify or justify their own personal causes/actions/idiocies. And it’s been happening for way too long.
Now if a normal heterosexual male were to suggest that a woman might become a religious figure/prophet/leader, doubtlessly more than quite a few idiots would be questioning that man’s *ahem* orientation. Some might even try to persecute and harass him into conforming to the general viewpoint.
So is there a line drawn between supressing women who want to bring themselves up and the people who actually care and support them?
Weird. I think i made no sense.
Off topic:
Jamiroquai:
There’s also freedom to remain silent, isn’t there? It might seem selfish, but everyone has their reasons.
Personally, I think it’s abit to intrusive to probe into situations like that. But that’s me. Freedom of Privacy > Freedom of Speech?
March 10th, 2006 at 4:27 pm
“You see, the problem with women talking about our rights is just this… all too often through the ages women have been subdued. I myself was brought up with the mantra, ‘Little girls should be seen and not heard.’ God gave women voices after all, yet sometimes, the way men react to us and tell you it’s best to keep quiet because our opinions are contradicting, that can be rather paradoxical, eh?”
So now some of you girls are given the choice to speak up and educate us now, especially in this particular context, how you solve your interfaith problems in relationships.
Instead , now it’s this..
“I’m sorry but I will not allow the discussion here to talk about how you can marry a muslim without converting. I know that you have a right to say whatever you want, but if the discussion gets out of hand then I will have to turn off comments.
The current discussion is still this, that many people are hiding behind the shield of God to do whatever they like. ”
“Don’t use this post as a shield to attack other people’s choices in religion.”
No one is doing that here.
March 10th, 2006 at 4:30 pm
don’t mind me but you seem to have a problem with coding things so i’ll clear up your comment a bit ok?
So now some of you girls are given the choice to speak up and educate us now, especially in this particular context, how you solve your interfaith problems in relationships. Instead , now it’s this..
No one is doing that here.
Well chickens and ducks are birds no matter how you look at them.
And secondly, you’re forcing a reader of mine to respond to you based on YOUR assumption that she is having interfaith problems in her relationship, and at the same time you’re putting forth a hypothesis to her that she will face problems if she chooses to marry the man she loves because she has to convert…. and when she opts not to answer you (i dunno i think skay isn’t having any problems right now) you use my post to as a means to attack her, her choices, the choices of many people who choose to convert or not convert eventually, as well as girls in general–of not speaking up and ‘educating’ you now.
Well listen, who said we can only speak up when you give us the chance to speak up? Since when did men have to right to tell women to speak up and shut up according to men’s ideals? Oh wow suddenly it’s up to us to educate these men. I thought you guys were smart enough to read up on your own. Dang!
March 10th, 2006 at 5:00 pm
I get spam blocked every time I try to quote something.
I think that’s why it’s called spam KARMA… some thing in the machine must think you’re pretty annoying too hehehe
I did not force skay to reply. I didn’t say she MUST reply, i actually asked nicely, if you read again.
A relationship between a non-muslim and a muslim does have problems. How can there not be a problem when one is forced to convert ? If she doesn’t have a problem with that, then she has answered indirectly she took the conversion option, which is not an acceptable option for most other people who’re strong in their faith/stance. And did I attack her for taking that option ? No right ?
Did I say you can only speak up when I say so ? No right ? I am not the one you have a beef with over religious issues. You had a fight with someone else over religious issues, and now you turn that anger and attention on me instead. Talk about being on a hormone overdrive.
March 10th, 2006 at 5:05 pm
“Assumption is the mother of all f***-ups.” - Under Seige II (I think).
The discussion was about the use of religion as a cover. How and when it changed to “Lets badger minishort’s reader for a solution to the convert issue” when MS never mentioned conversion in her entry is beyond me.
If S-Kay wishes to speak of her public life, then fine and dandy but she has, over and over again, mentioned that this is her life, her choice and her decision AND that she wishes to keep it private. Which part of private did you people not get?
As far as I’m concerned, even the PM is not obliged to tell people how he deals with the death of a loved one, or how he disciplines his children - those are private matters to be deal with among himself and his family. What more someone who is not known to you in reality?
If anything, the individual (an adult in this context) is responsible for his/her own education. No one is obligated to spoonfeed you.
March 10th, 2006 at 5:19 pm
There are no assumptions here about Skay’s problem. If solutions existed, then it’s for a problem. You don’t solve something if it isn’t a problem in the first place. And if it’s no longer a problem, that’s because you have ’solved’ it.
Still does not mean there is never a problem or solution in the first place. So please don’t harp on assumption on my part, the issue does not arise.
March 10th, 2006 at 5:29 pm
ok. just to clear things up again, observer = jamiroquai = spamkarmasucks
it’s just ONE person so let’s not assume there’s so many people who want to badger skay to share her ideas on how to get herself out of a sticky issue should it happen.
March 10th, 2006 at 6:01 pm
MS : You forgot to add “curiousity” too
Now back to observer/jamiroquai/spamkarmasucks/and watever nickname he chooses later.
Do I really have to repeat that you’re already contradicting yourself? Go read comment no. 22.
“A relationship between a non-muslim and a muslim does have problems. How can there not be a problem when one is forced to convert? If she doesn’t have a problem with that, then she has answered indirectly she took the conversion option, which is not an acceptable option for most other people who’re strong in their faith/stance. And did I attack her for taking that option? No right ?”
Ok, my feedback will be based on the bolded lines.
Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions. You can think of all the possibilities and outcomes of the possible choices (that I have and have made) for as long as you want. But at the end of the day, only my bf, both our families and I will know what exactly are the decisions that have been made and we’re the only ones who will be affected by the decisions made.
Of course you did not attack me for taking ANY option…now wait…what was the option that you assumed I took again? Was it to convert or not to convert? LOL
“So now some of you girls are given the choice to speak up and educate us now, especially in this particular context, how you solve your interfaith problems in relationships…..”
Are you having interfaith problems currently? Do I see anyone else asking to be educated? No, except you maybe (and whoever who wants to be educated after this comment).
Now, all that aside. I’m surprised that you’re taking so much interest in my relationship with a man of another religion and the choices that I have made or would make in the future.
Why not mail me personally about your concerns on my relationship lah ok? And then we’ll see whether they’re worth my time answering or not.
March 10th, 2006 at 6:20 pm
*yawn*
March 10th, 2006 at 6:36 pm
“many people are hiding behind the shield of God to do whatever they like.”
Well after all people chose to believe in god or certain religion for different reasons. Each may have different interpretation ingraint into their mind. When this happens, the concept of “right” and “wrong” is irrelevent because their religious believe system justifies everything else. That is if they are sincere believer. There are also those fake believers who use and abuse religion for their own benefit just like what you said.
They say mankind is kind by nature. It is only through social contamination that they become the man and woman of who they are now. The problem is, many people were born muslims, christians, etc. It was not up to them to choose. Choosing at later stage in life will create a lot of “inconvenience”. Not many will choose this path.
People who refuse to improve, people who continue to hide behind religion/ god, culture and traditions are doom….just like the luddites.
March 10th, 2006 at 6:44 pm
we aren’t exactly supposed to follow things in the old testament are we?
March 10th, 2006 at 7:11 pm
If you read back S-kay comments on Vincent’s blog and also the above you will notice a particular trend.
She advise you to do financial planning, financial goals blah, blah, blah…..which is good advise but that’s it. Nothing more. Yes she did point to a website which supposingly will help. Please take a look a that site and tell me how useful it is?.
We have the same situation here. Yes, she says that she has solved the issue. Please do not expect anything more than that. She has already point you to a ‘helpful’ directory. Again tell me how useful it is?.
Hence, do not pursue this anymore….you are not going to get the answer.
Lastly if some one wants to keep their life personal , why have a blog about it???
same rhetoric, same difference: if some one wants stay in a bungalow, why still live in a two-storey link house? if you haven’t already noticed it, personal blogs, at most, reveal segments of a blogger’s life which he/she chooses to allow publicity. as readers we do not question and probe for the private parts.
March 10th, 2006 at 8:26 pm
First off, I think the ranting by all these ppl wanting to know how the conversion solution was arrived at should just go and do their own research. It’s interesting to note that if it had been a man talking about conversion, I don’t think the issue would have arisen.
Next:
Blogs are more than just journals. Please get that through to your head. Some of us use blogs as a means to reach out to friends we couldn’t have otherwise.
Thirdly (sorry for the rant, Ms. Minishorts, I get irritated by people like these):
WHY THE HECK IS RELIGION IN THE PUBLIC SPHERE ANYWAY? Think about it. At the end of the day, WE are going to be individually responsible to GOD. We are going to have to answer to him personally about the choices and actions that we took while we were on this Earth.
Do YOU want to tell God that “I was told by your Holy Books that I must FORCE my daughter to cover herself up because I cannot trust other men?” Why can’t you let your daughter make her own decisions?
Do YOU want to tell God, “I was told by your HOLY BOOKS that I must MAKE my daughter marry her rapist, even if it was ME, if she’s no longer bethroed?”
Do you WANT to tell God, “I did all that because I was told to do so by those who claimed to have been appointed by you?”
These all seem like escapists fantasies to me. YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE IN THE END TO NO ONE BUT YOURSELF AND GOD, SO DEAL WITH IT.
March 10th, 2006 at 8:27 pm
I know some people who likes to give financial management advise. Most of it nothing more than just Kiyosaki style talk and quotes.
They don’t really know much about financial management, probably just motivational speakers, you know, the sort of feeling you get when you attend MLM talks and get highly emotional/motivated/brainwashed by these people if you have a weak mind.
Lampe Berger comes to mind.
Some of these people just end up repeating the financial management mantra but they know very little on how to implement it but they just can’t explain their highly motivated behaviour towards the subject. Maybe they should learn hypnotism or something. Better yet, learn from Anthony Robbins’ books.
March 10th, 2006 at 8:54 pm
I have now converted to the world of Islam. May Allah have mercy on your soul.
March 10th, 2006 at 9:57 pm
“Paul was a drunkard”
hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe.
March 10th, 2006 at 11:43 pm
It is interesting to note that she can talk about a subject and when you get interested and probe further, you are accused of being rude by intruding on her personal life. Also you do not understand her. Of cause we don’t cause we are not her. But why is she thinking that it is all about her and always so defensive over it. Why’s the sensitivity?.
She herself can’t keep it objective and always keep thinking that it is about her…..A discussion with her is like talking to a hair dryer. Hot air is what you get.
March 11th, 2006 at 4:22 am
Observer : Just because you can’t walk straight, doesn’t mean others can’t too you know?
Observer II : What subject was I talking about again? Women being vocal amongst men, no? What subject were some of you interested and wanted to probe further again? And lastly, before I excuse myself from such entertaining comments by some of you here, aren’t you talking about me too? Of course you’re not, you’re just talking about a hair dryer. LOL.
March 11th, 2006 at 5:22 am
My friend will be marrying a moderate muslim lady. (Of course Bah Kut Teh session still on)
Now very tao tia *scratch head*
Which one better: Zakaria (he suffer our teasing of Zakar Ria) or Zachqariah (More stylish hor?)
March 11th, 2006 at 7:58 am
Paul: ho ho.