Why I’m not about to ‘let it be’
Before I head on, I have to openly remind my readers that I have NO tolerance for religious bigots, and I have demonstrated this principle since the beginning of my site.
I do not care whether you are Muslim, Christian, Buddhist or Hindu, if I see something is wrong and dangerous, I will address it. And I have done this before, to Buddhists, to Christians, and just yesterday, I have written an open post to the editors of Bismika Allahuma, 'In your name, Allah', expressing my intolerance of the recent article.
My last rebuttal with a Christian was on the topic of Dooms-Day Evangelists, and in that post I had renounced the need for many missionaries to express that Christianity was a message that was meant to be preached along the themes of life after death.
In the same post I also pointed out that it was absurd for so-called 'practising Buddhists' to release animals by the masses into overpopulated lake, as I discovered at the famous Sungai Besi Mining Pool, where the Palace of the Golden Horses is. If you do not know this, this is what I saw, happening there: a Buddhist sect, legal of course, has been practising the release of animals (fish and tortoises) into the lake. Alas some of the tortoises/turtles are NOT meant to live in that lake, and as it is, the lake has far too many animals in it fighting for food. Instead of being give a new lease of life, I dread to see that these poor creatures are released to die. And this is still happening.
That said, this is the content of the article published in Bismika Allahuma:
Why the need to speak up and against
I was speaking to my friend Vincent yesterday about the severity of this issue, and he answered me in this way, 'HAHAHAHAHA, goodness Claire, that fella is a religious bigot and a crackpot, and this is the kind of people that you have to ignore, and eventually they will go away. Don't bother lah and leave him alone. Don't read, don't angry lah!'
Now I say it here, Vince, and those of you who feel that is something that we ought to ignore because 'if we ignore he will go away': We have been ignoring for far too long. And in that time, he has not 'gone away'.
It is no secret that this blogger MENJ has been exceedingly open about his dislike and intolerance for the 'absurd beliefs' of other religions. When the PM's wife passed away, this blogger had written a distasteful post on his personal blog saying, in other words, that Datin Seri' Endon 'deserved' it. He has bestowed cheap names upon the leaders of the countries, and has called Marina Mahathir a bitch. He called Deeparaya 'sacriligeous', and has attempted to vindicate the respected Sisters in Islam as a bunch of kufaars, bound for hell.
But then again, he is entitled to his opinions, and to cut him some slack, those opinions are placed on his personal blog, so all that, yes, we can ignore.
What we CANNOT and SHOULD NOT ignore, is this most recent misrepresentation of Islam. This blogger has chosen to publicly announce that it is the intention and hope of the website (that literally is translated to 'In Your Name, Allah'): to 'expose' and 'destroy' another religion. The problem with the post is he has chosen to publicize his bigoted opinions on an Islamic website with otherwise noble intentions of overthrowing anti-Islamic sentiments.
Here I want to thank Mei for writing a superb post on why we must not let this run away.
This is not an issue of 'minishorts tackling another religion'
I must remind my readers who are mostly Malaysians, that this is NOT an issue of taking Islam by the horns and accusing it of slandering Christianity. There is no matter of Islam vs Christianity in this debate. If Bismika Allahuma was a Christian site going by the name of 'In Your Name, Jesus' (dot) org, and posted a photograph of a 'joke' article saying, that it is the vision for the site, to expose and eradicate Islam, I ensure you that THAT is not something that Malaysians, in particular, Christian Malaysians, should take lightly either.
The issue is that there is a certain intellectual human being who so happens to openly profess his passion for Allah and expressed the depth of that passion by inciting hate towards another religion, on a respected Islamic website that is meant to educate and reverse the effects of misinformation.
And I repeat: No, having this kind of hate propaganda on an scholarly religious website is NOT something that we, as law-abiding citizens of Malaysia, should allow.
It is NOT an assault on Bismika Allahuma
The blogger MENJ has since been astoundingly rude and hostile towards me, banning me from commenting on his site, and saying that I 'backstabbed' him in public, and denouncing our 'friendship'. He has called me a backstabber, and accused me of sending him a barrage of unjustified, personal attacks on his personality.
Please be informed, that there was no friendship from the start, we merely acknowledge each other's opinions in a civil manner. While previously I respected his zeal for Islam with a slight shake of the head for his tendency to be bigoted, I kept my tongue to myself, and chose to ignore the obvious.
Do not cast away the severity of the situation by falling back on the immature, 'I am not your friend anymore,' MENJ. We do not need to be friends to know that respect for a fellow Malaysian's religious choice is the necessary ingredient for peace.
And now I repeat again, my pointing out of the extremist message of your post is not an 'ad-hominem' attack as you would like to believe. I would have let it pass, had the post been left to the privacy of your personal blog, but alas, you chose to put it on an open scholarly Islamic website.
Why the article is NOT a satire
It is dreadfully worrying to be impressed upon the message that you want your readers to believe: that Islamic scholars sometimes consider the annihilation of another religion as 'satirical'.
I ask, therefore, for readers to make their own judgement, comparing this paragraph from the article above,
As much as we would like to believe that this scenario is true, this is just a joke. However, this vision CAN be true if the Muslims in the world today unite and understand that Christianity is a religion of blind faith, whereas Islam is a religion of logic and rationality. Much work needs to be done before wecan realise this vision of the future without Christianity.
and this paragraph from MENJ's follow-up disclaimer and abuse on my character:
But there is nothing wrong with that article (which is actually more or less a call for donations in a form of satire). It is specifically targeted at the Christian missionaries. It explicitly names the individuals involved and it does not target the Christian community as a whole. I would think that an editor of a magazine would have more sense than this to have realised that.
You do not have to be a magazine editor to know that the above is NOT satirical, and it is certainly NOT, as MENJ would like you to believe, dedicated to Christian Missionaries alone. And MENJ, DO NOT THINK ME AN IDIOT, to not know which is satirical and which is serious. If the Danish cartoons were not considered satirical, then this article CANNOT be seen as a joke merely meant to be shared with enthusiasts of scholarly religious documents.
IT CANNOT BE ALLOWED.
Do you choose to shut up?
I am distressed because it has been suggested that my voice will be largely seen as a futile effort. Another friend has coyly reminded me that I have to be careful, lest 'something bad happens, as you know, we are a minority'. And that onlookers will only nod and say they support this cause, and then walk away when that 'something bad' happens.
I BEG TO DIFFER. AND I DO NOT WANT TO BE SCARED.
This is not about who's in the majority or who's a part of the minority.
Reading again, MENJ's post is NOT an assault on Christianity. This is a blatant assault on Islam itself, as his ideals and opinions are speaking volumes for the kind of bigoted slant that extremists can be capable of.
As I said previously, had bismikaallahuma.org been inyourname-jesus.org instead, and the word 'Christianity' be substituted with 'Islam', the implications are just as damaging and dangerous.
So I ask you again, is this something that I have to 'shut up', 'calm down' and 'sit aside' just because I do not subscribe to the same beliefs as you and the majority peoples of our land?
The last I read, my constitution guarantees my freedom of religion, and the laws of this land punishes the spread of religious hate and destructive propaganda. If Ayah Pin was hunted down, and deviant bomohs and monks arrested for abuse of religious authority, how can this skewed version of Islam, openly spread 'in the name of Allah' be allowed in our Malaysian blogosphere?
Think again.
May 18th, 2006 at 9:12 pm
Religious Genocide Is Never Right
Or how I am going to freely admit I’m a Muslim because I have something to say about all this.
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May 18th, 2006 at 10:26 pm
I agree we should not be cowed by religious bigots who wish nothing but the destruction of peace, harmony and tolerance of this country. I am so depressed from all hatred, all this religiosity, that it has come to a point where I am so fed up.
However, I am willing to bet that our side, those of us who value love, peace, harmony and tolerance - the very essences that made this multi-cultural country such a unique country - far outnumber the haters, the bigots and the fanatics. There’s nothing they can do to us if we unite, fight back and reject their doctrine of hate, intolerance and fanaticsm.
I am thankful for someone like yourself, minishorts, and many other fellow bloggers, are taking steps to ensure that something is done to stifle this madness once and for all!
May 18th, 2006 at 10:43 pm
Why is the article dated Sunday 30th August 2006? Is something going to happen on that day?
May 19th, 2006 at 1:11 am
I am truly glad to find others who are as disgusted by the bismilla allahuma article as i am and have stepped up to say something about it. Too often in malaysia good people simply choose to do nothing.
Although like your friend vincent, i would love to just have a laugh everytime i find a display of religious bigotry that offers no true use of ‘logic and rationality’, the fact that such bigotry appears to be increasingly widespread just isnt funny.
And just so you know, I am a Malay. And i was born a muslim. But i most certainly do not share the values of the brand of islam Bismika Allahuma opines himself to hold. And I assure you there are other malays in the country who like me, see ourselves as Malaysians…not an uber-race of jihadist seeking to bring a special brand of justice to the world.
So no, this is not something you should shut up, calm down or sit aside. Nor should anyone who believes in the values of liberal democracy…(yeaa im pretty sure its said somewhere in that constitution of ours that thats what we are…)
May 19th, 2006 at 9:22 am
One thing i can say, minishorts - the thing running through my mind when i read that article by MenJ was the 1969 May riots. I agree with you that we should not just ‘ignore these fellows, they’ll just go away’. This time i disagree with Vincent, although i respect his logic most times. Yes, if we leave them be, they’ll just get louder and louder as time goes by, and more will be swayed by their talk. One fine day we’ll wake up and go ‘WTF??’, and find the world overrun by them.
Malaysia is known throughout the world as a haven, where people of all cultures and ethnic backgrounds are accepted and coexist peacefully. I met a Muslim Somalian doctor some time back - he works in the UK - and when i mentioned that i am Malaysian he perked up and started heaping praises on Malaysia, about how great it was so many religions could coexist together in harmony, and how everyone worked together towards progress - just how a model Islamic nation (no, wait, in fact how EVERY nation) should be. Isn’t it just sad, then, that there are still those who would oppose all this, and say that it’s in the name of Islam? Well, maybe the ultimate goal is towards progress - after all, if i remember my Sejarah, that was the part of the first preaching the great Prophet Muhammad delivered to his followers. But at the same time, didn’t he also preach peace and harmonious coexistance with others, no matter the religion? Even Jihad was in the name of self-protection, not a religious crusade.
No, we Malaysians cannot let these zealots run rampant, no matter what religion they are - Christian, Muslim, Buddhist (wait - Buddhist zealots?? I’m a Buddhist and i’ve not heard of one, but well…) - they are simply too volatile to let loose into a peaceful society, lest they tear apart the delicate peace and prosperity that our forefathers (and to some extent, us) have worked so hard to forge.
May 19th, 2006 at 9:45 am
Go minishorts go.
I may not like religion per se, but I agree with you! go go go! Enough is enough!
May 19th, 2006 at 10:53 am
Actually, I think my actual words sounded like :
“If a guy came out of Tanjung Rambutan screaming ‘THIS IS THE END OF THE WORLD YOU SINNERS!’ would you take him seriously or would you laugh him off?”
Because that is what this guy is…a looney.
May 19th, 2006 at 11:12 am
lol, that article would not look out of place in theonion.com
May 19th, 2006 at 11:17 am
why is it that the article is dated 30 aug, 2006?? i may be holidaying…but i’m kinda certain that we’re in the month of may, 2006. rite?
May 19th, 2006 at 11:17 am
It would, actually. From a secular point of view, it’s an awful piece of writing trying to pretend to be a shadow of a satire.
May 19th, 2006 at 11:17 am
it’s really sad though, we have people like these who would do anything to obstruct the peace we all strive to have.
May 19th, 2006 at 11:22 am
Well, looks like it is exposed for what it is. A way to get peoples hard earned cash.
Only, their vision of people leaving in droves … never happens, even when cult groups have been proven to be fraudulant etc, the people within them still don’t leave, they often just re-commense under a different name with slightly different ‘hidden’ agendas.
This has been true even concerning things like the Davidian Sect {think Waco Texas} where soem of the followers (even the ones in prision) have been quoted as saying they still believe, or they still think they were in the right. It takes time for them to mull it over and leave.
Another example is Aum sect in Japan (Think Sarin Gas attacks in 1995), it actually has more followers today than it did before the Sarin Gas attacks.
Scarey? Yeah! The point however is that you never see people leaving religions in droves. That vision won’t happen. Adolph Hitler understood that when he started killing off the Jews … and he failed in that too!
I think, now that this site has exposed itself, what will people do? Send it money like it wants? Where is that money going? It doesn’t cost anything to maintain a blog out there when free blogs are available, so where is the money really going? Towards persecution of other religions? We’ve aleady seen that droves don’t leave religions … the religions etc just move house and changes it’s names etc. [And even grow].
I wonder if it is a way for someone to make money?
[I'm not saying this is happening, but I'm throwing it up as a possibility for anyone deciding to contribute to take a serious look at where the money is going.]
Anyway, at the end of the day, whenever any group starts asking for money, my first concern is always, ‘where is the money going?’ and I think everyone needs to ask themselves that question and get it clear before they send money to this website thinking it is going towards ‘destroying Christianity’ [and we all seem to be in agreement at this site, the destruction of other religions due to intolerance is not an agenda we'd support].
May 19th, 2006 at 11:23 am
You have outdone yourself this time, CK! This post of yours is EXCELLENT!
May 19th, 2006 at 11:36 am
Bla bla bla. MENJ may be an idiot, BUT according to minicunt’s disclaimer of sorts:
2. I blog whatever I want, whenever I want to.
have you heard of practising what you preach?
3. I am more often than not occasionally full of shit.
We hear you.
6. I can call you a beggar if I feel like it. In fact, I can call you ANYTHING I want WHENEVER I feel like it.
Yes, you can fly to the moon too. So after bad-mouthing anyone that moves without consulting your royal highness, you get all huffy and God-fearing and pretending to care about morals and what’s “right”. Please. Drop the act.
8. I am not interested in engaging in any pretentious intellectual discourse.
No one would expect anything resembling intellectual discourse to come out of your gaping hole. Pretentions, definitely.
17. If you still think that I am a bloody bastardized bitch after all of the above and YET you are still visiting my site ten times a day like a blind wanking chicken, WTF is wrong with you man? Just hit ALT-F4 and get the fuck out lah.
Yep. I should get out. But if you’re so riled over MENJ and whatever his views are, why do you keep visiting, rebutting, spending office hours agonizing over how he’s wronged you and your religion/views/face?
No need for flamers to presume what religion I am. I’m a Christian Scientologist.
I am not about to delete this irrelevant point-for-point attack , using my disclaimer to prove your point (which is?). Thank you for this display of misplaced outrage, and rest assured you have had my attention.
May 19th, 2006 at 12:21 pm
August 30, 2006?
That’s more than 3 months away. How could that have been published?
May 19th, 2006 at 1:11 pm
Shavain : Which is why, we have to think outside the box abit or MAYBE not =D
May 19th, 2006 at 2:40 pm
Haha. You people are missing the point. The date isn’t the biggest piece of bull in that article.
May 19th, 2006 at 3:08 pm
I came here after checking “momentarily” what the latest “deviation” MENJ was preaching–learning that “you” were the one to be banned.
I appreciate the time you’ve taken to post this long discourse.
I had also ercently read with “dismay” his conclusions about the May 13, 1969 Incident, chiefly lambasting the Gereakan and DAP for the bloodshed, merely based on his Dad’s accountm, and MENJ called that as “history” recording.
Soe other commenter to that Post remarked it was the “most hilarius” piece he had raed in Blosgworld, and I tended to agree.
My short comment there was that MENJ started a Post based on a “faulty’ premise, and hence whatever that follows was “flawed”. This similarly is replicated by his “islamic” jihad he has carved out for himself. I am amazed, Minishorts, at thy patience and forebearance in engaging MENJ — I’ve decided not to continue barking at the moon — or the mooney ones in blogosphere. Did someone here suggest “looney”?
Just my 3sen worth to show an excellent write-up which that Blogger has no guts to display fully. Because sometimes rationality and the Truth serve humankind better than Bigotree — which in my humble opinion, MENJ is — and Deceit, which is the fruit of that tree.
May 19th, 2006 at 5:10 pm
Forget about it, and come and look at me.
I need the attention!
May 19th, 2006 at 7:45 pm
You’ve already mentioned the laws of Malaysia were broken. I’ve also mentioned that in your previous article.
So if you want your voice to be heard, you need to do more than just writing a rebuttal/article.
You need to gather you and your fellow Christ worshippers and lodge a police report against menj.
This is a clear simple case of religious incitement.
Laws were broken, so let the law run it’s course, and along the way, expose all hypocrisy that exists in the system should they refuse to take action.
May 19th, 2006 at 7:58 pm
Thank you for writing two excellent pieces to expose MenJ. You’ve put into words things I’ve wanted to say but didn’t know how to say properly. Kudos for being so patient and objective too… I would’ve gone on an all out rampage if I had the balls to do anything.
THe last time I left comments asking him to cease his attacks on Christianity on the basis of mutual respect, all I got was a rebuttal that was off the mark (something to do with him not forgoing what he believed even if I gave him the moon and the stars), and even got a troll or two on my site.
It’s about time MenJ got challenged properly. He avoids the subject when confronted with tough questions, I’ve noticed. If he can’t answer the most basic questions about his views properly, how can his views have any basis?
Malaysia isn’t a place for separatist views. We are a “Bangsa Malaysia”, no matter what religion or creed we adhere to, and even if the government chooses to close one eye, the people won’t let it be. Simply because this is OUR country, and we’re not going to let it fall apart because of racists and bigots like him.
Minishorts, your speaking up has probably given me and many other people holding similiar views the balls to open our mouths. Keep it up.
May 20th, 2006 at 1:54 am
Celebrity Vivids: now what if i start saying your religions is false and my religions is true..wouldn’t it offend you in a way?
what i feel MenJ is tyring to do is to destroy another religion..he’s like the bug in the word peace…
May 20th, 2006 at 3:42 am
I fully agree and applaud your actions.
Although the number of bigots may be vastly outnumbered now, there is no gurantee that one day we will not be swamped by people with ideas such as this. Woe betide us if any of them come into a position of authority over the common people.
While it may be as useful as butting your head unto a brickwall, people like these need to be alerted to the fact that their twisted utopia will not come into being unchallenged by the masses. It is perhaps very comforting for bigots to face to resistance and start getting delusions of taking the world by storm and arriving into power like a conquering hero with nothing to stop them.
Perhaps, we can pray that as time goes by, they will soon see that their previous actions only caused more conflict and bred more distrust instead of the beautiful paradise they had wished for.
Let us pray for that then.
May 20th, 2006 at 6:17 am
Hi Minishorts–this is a follow-up comment. I plan to initiate some action at my own Blog — I agree with you and other commenters here we should NOT LET IT BE.
May I “reprise” sunstantial portions of your Post at Desiderata2000, with my proposal to gather my ER support to follow with a Memo to the PM’s Office in about 5 days’ time.
Would also appreciate a short note from your goodself to chongyl2000@yahoo.com (ASAP…)
so I can brief thee further on what I have in mind. Thanks again for an excellent articulation as MENJ’s piece truly “troubled” me the past 24; second or third time really by MENJ’s writings (previous related to Datin Seri Endon Mahmood’s demise, and May 13, 1969 Incident).
May 20th, 2006 at 11:43 am
On a similar note, i think there are a lot of people around with MENJ’s mentality. If you know what happened in Penang last weekend. A group calling themselves Anti Interfaith (whatever) disrupted a Forum organised by Aliran which was intended to discuss the constitutional protection for all Malaysians in the wake of concerns raised by Nyonya Tahir, M. Moorthy and Shamala cases. The Forum was not actually about ‘Interfaith’. But these mob of protesters carrying placards stormed the hotel and started heckling the speakers. They were very RUDE. They even questioned the organisers whether they have a permit but in reality these mob of protesters have no police permit. To contain the situation, the forum ended 2 hours ahead of schedule as advised by the police. What is this man!
May 20th, 2006 at 6:56 pm
Mini,
You were saying we need to stand up to this and not go quiet with all this stupidity.
I don’t know about the 500 hundreds idiots and idiots who suppose to disolved them but choose to do nothing about it. I know I can’t really do anything about it because the asses who suppose to uphold the highest book choose to do nothing.
What do you suggesting to do? (This is not answering a question with a question but really what to do to stand up?)
May 20th, 2006 at 9:15 pm
Couldn’t have said better myself.
May 21st, 2006 at 12:39 am
Poor fella. So caught up in his own religious zeal that he misses some fascinating points.
Christianity is far from being a blind faith, many are encouraged to study it to strengthen their understanding.
Also, it’s not about logic and rationality although that plays a part, it’s about love and grace.
It’s rather ironic though because I wouldn’t be surprised if somewhere in a remote country part of the USA, there are one or two Christians saying the EXACT same thing.
May these sort of people NEVER be allowed in any position of authority.
May 21st, 2006 at 3:05 am
I cant access the bigot’s blog. Can anyone tell me what is wrong? seems to be a message there now.
May 21st, 2006 at 4:32 am
He’s apparently blocked all Malaysian IPs. In fact he’s even blocked Scottish IPs since I’m sitting here in Scotland…..
May 21st, 2006 at 9:24 am
I’m unauthorized to view his blog and the other islamic web. i don’t think he blocked ALL malaysian IPs, afterall he has so many malaysian friends who view his web often.
I’m really disappointed in his actions, didn’t know he was THAT childish to block people’s IP addresses especially when I tried to sound as neutral and nice as possible.
May 21st, 2006 at 11:43 am
He blocked Australian IP addresses too. Hahaha. What a pansy. I think what he did was block anyone who ever commented against him on his blog thinking they are all Malaysians but without knowing what IP address corresponds to what country. That’s ignorance for you.
May 21st, 2006 at 2:14 pm
hie there… the newspaper is a fraud… anyone could generate one at the following site, http://tools.fodey.com/generators/newspaper/snippet.asp
hence the defaulted and queer 30th august 2006 date that everyone has been aptly noticing
with that, may one see the validity of the person’s claims whatsoever
May 21st, 2006 at 5:43 pm
If you really really really really wanted to access the website you can use an internet proxy. You know … if you really wanted to.
May 21st, 2006 at 7:15 pm
I think what he did was not block Malaysian IPs but rather “allowed” certain IPs to access his blog.
Remember, he has a Malaysian IP… blocking it would mean he can’t access his own blog. That aside cPanel doesn’t block IP by country
May 21st, 2006 at 7:33 pm
Contacted MENJ’s hosting company
They are currently investigating since I pointed out to them that MENJ does have content that go against their Terms of Service.
Exa-Bytes is apparently giving MENJ hosting.
May 21st, 2006 at 8:39 pm
I would think ridicule and general, open and overt disagreement would be enough. Reporting to one’s hosting company is stepping over the line. What you do to him can be done to you as well. If we maintain it at the level of merely engaging him at his words, it’ll become very much more apparent just how full of crap some of his arguments are. Reporting to the police, or in this case, the hosting company, is quite thuggish. Would anyone want that applied to them?
All the posts recently have shown him to be a bigot; he has said many things that are beyond the pale, and if you’ve been following his blog long enough, you’ll read worse comments. Let him stand by his opinions and reap the full benefit of having people engage and then decide for themselves. Heck, he’s convincing more and more Christians, Buddhists and Hindus why they *shouldn’t* convert.
May 21st, 2006 at 8:40 pm
One other thing - the blogosphere should regulate *itself*, and not allow RL authorities to regulate it for them. Doing so sets a precedent of allowing the authorities to be invasive at will.
May 21st, 2006 at 8:49 pm
I don’t agree with him (silently vehemently) but report to the police and trying to make his host dump and ban him is too much and disrespecting of free speech.
May 21st, 2006 at 8:50 pm
I don’t agree with menj (silently vehemently) but reporting to the police and trying to make his host dump and ban him is too much and disrespecting of free speech.
May 21st, 2006 at 9:15 pm
Yeah, Jon. I kinda agree with Xpyre. We don’t have to sink to his level.
May 21st, 2006 at 9:19 pm
Without being rude, sue me =)
May 21st, 2006 at 9:27 pm
Apologies, was in the middle of an assignment when I was reading this. So I didn’t read up too much.
I understand from where you’re coming from Xypre but at the end of the day, we live under the wing of the law. Cyberspace is answerable to state law. Especially when the hosting company is malaysian based.
I’m just making sure their aware of the situation. If I was wrong, and MENJ never violated the TOS then so be it. It’s not like I really care about menj’s blog…
May 21st, 2006 at 9:57 pm
if you don;t care about menj’s blog, why do you bother to report in the first place?
May 21st, 2006 at 11:03 pm
30 August 2006 is not even a Sunday.
And satires has its limits. MENJ has just stepped wayyyy over it. Clearly there’s some sort of sub-liminal meanings under those “satires”.
“As much as we would like to believe that this scenario is true”. Satirical? I think not. His intention has escaped his mind.
May 21st, 2006 at 11:43 pm
OH MY GAWD people, open your eyes and R E A D.
That NEWSPAPER ARTICLE can be GENERATED from
http://tools.fodey.com/generators/newspaper/snippet.asp
Its not even real for goodness sake.
*has nothing to say about the content*
May 22nd, 2006 at 2:57 am
His articles may be fake. He may be spreading his religion in a wrong way… but for those who didn’t do any research or read his comments on bloggers before (he referred to a particular blogger as “son of wh0re” and many rude names-calling on bloggers whom disagreed with him), they would have been blindly taught. His words can indeed cause others to have a wrong idea of what a religion should do. It is only a matter of time that someone should eliminate such crazy blogger from talking rubbish and causing havoc.
May 22nd, 2006 at 8:29 am
ashkenne…..
What do you think we are? Stupid? Of course we know it’s not a real newspaper. But it’s the message written on the ‘fake’ newspaper by the author that’s riling everyone up.
And if you have nothing to say about the content of the article, then you really don’t have much to say because EVERYTHING IS ABOUT THE CONTENT.
Thank you.
May 22nd, 2006 at 12:49 pm
No, i believe the effort you put in your entry on this topic is not futile at all, though it may not reach to so many people, but hey, it got to me !!
Yeah, we can’t just sit down quietly and ignore such act of extremism. i gotta go with cynical idealist “we do not have to sink to his level”…
May 22nd, 2006 at 8:29 pm
Hey. I noticed something. August 30th is so close to Merdeka this year. Is the article trying to insult the day we celebrate our Independence after proving to the whole world that we’re able to co-exist harmoniously.
Perhaps i’m getting out of topic (pls ignore me if i am being ignorant/lame) but isn’t Merdeka is like having our L- license to rule/control/ build a place we call our home/country/ ‘tanah tumpah darah’.
Just my 2 cents worth.
May 22nd, 2006 at 8:31 pm
Ok i should change it to P - license. =P dun flame me i’m a newbie here. Hi. Hullo.
May 23rd, 2006 at 2:13 am
Mark, it’s only assumed by you that ashkenne is labeling everyone being ’stupid’. Sure it’s about CONTENT, but she’s trying to assist those that may not realize that it’s a fake. We are only human, no?
The previous comments speak for themselves on how certain arbitrary readers are confused over the said fake article.
Nevertheless, it is rather ironic that only after she posted the generator link did you made an entry on your personal blog of a similar generated newspaper hence questioning your prior realization stand on the validity of the article.
Moreover, your latest post seems to have the motive of tricking people that it is indeed a valid newspaper cutting. Again, contradicting elements arise.
Please be more apt, and not just fire away at people.
May 23rd, 2006 at 8:52 am
Ray: I think the issue here is not whether the content is real or fake. If it is real, then we’re all very scared, because maybe after so long we’re all living in a world of altered reality ala the matrix. And because it is fake, we’re having this discussion (and debate, if you may), as a systematic alert response to remind the world, in particular this blogosphere that this kind of ‘jokes’ can not be tolerated.
at the end of the day, if you want to pull in freedom of speech, by all means pull it in. since this sort of freedom stands, this furor over the ’satirical content’ within that doctored article must occur in order to maintain the check-and-balance.
May 23rd, 2006 at 5:00 pm
Man.
Man’s inhumanity to man will continue as long as man loves God more than he loves his fellow man. - Joseph Lewis
This couldn’t come at more perfect time.
As Nil and I went through the motions of Sarkozy’s immigration plans during my d…
May 23rd, 2006 at 10:58 pm
Dear ray,
I hope you realize that the point of debate/controversy/discussion here is about the content of the blog, NOT the format in which it was written. My reply to ashkeanne was due to the fact that ashkeanne was implying that we’re all making a huge fuss over an article that was oh-so-obviously not really published in any newspapers, and I was trying to tell her that the thing which is riling all of us up is what MenJ wrote. It would have made absolutely no difference if he had written it as an ordinary blog post or not. That is, the gist of my comment to ashkeanne.
Regarding the nature of my blog post, it was intentionally done so to trick any gullible readers of my blog that it was a newspaper clipping. However, what does that have to do with the nature of MenJ’s post? If you’re implying that by using a similarly generated article means I think MenJ’s post is a real newspaper clipping, then sir, I honestly do not understand the way your thought processes work. I mean seriously, WTF? Oh well.
In anycase, let’s not turn this into something about me. The real issue here is more important and please let us pay more attention to it.
Thanks.
May 24th, 2006 at 12:55 am
MENJ again…
In a new twist, after banning and then unbanning Malaysians from reading his blog, dear MENJ has once again banned Malaysian IP addresses from accessing the site. (This time with a more polite message.) This time, I won’t bother delving further i…
May 24th, 2006 at 10:45 am
Was I censored off?