Comments on: I am a graduate of UPM. http://www.minishorts.net/2006/07/22/i-am-a-graduate-of-upm/ this time, we're keeping it simple. Thu, 04 Dec 2008 05:44:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: minishorts http://www.minishorts.net/2006/07/22/i-am-a-graduate-of-upm/#comment-22953 minishorts Tue, 01 Aug 2006 00:16:06 +0000 http://www.minishorts.net/2006/07/22/i-am-a-graduate-of-upm/#comment-22953 uncle. old news adi lah... stop commenting when it's a week old. i'm closing comments. uncle. old news adi lah… stop commenting when it’s a week old.

i’m closing comments.

]]> By: petalingrunner http://www.minishorts.net/2006/07/22/i-am-a-graduate-of-upm/#comment-22952 petalingrunner Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:38:08 +0000 http://www.minishorts.net/2006/07/22/i-am-a-graduate-of-upm/#comment-22952 Hi, your comments are brilliantly constructed. I believe that there are only a minority of bad hats out there but these guys actually needs to be dealt with utmost stern action. You see, I believe these bad hats are like 'cancers' simply because, their actions may instigate others to be the same. I would like to emphasise the word 'may'. Individuals differ in their thinking but there are also other's whom would follow the crowd. If these students are not shown that stern action will be taken against them, I believe there will be others who will think that the uni's heads are all toothless and hence, UPM will lose respect and control on their students. Without respect and control, these so called graduates will move on to be 'graduated mobsters'. Do you seriously think that the nation will benefit from these guys? As for those bloggers which mentioned that those whom did not voice out about this issue, I guess they may have gone a little overboard BUT, they do deserve their merits too. Blogging is a good way to spread this issue out to the widest audience possible and hence, try to prevent the incidence of sweeping this issue under the carpet. Their intonation may be wrong, but I guess they did made a lot of people know about this issue. As you can see, there is not event a hint of news what had happened. WE as rakyat have a right to know what had happened because the FUTURE of the country lies in these bunch of supposedly graduates. If they can create mob rule in the UNI, I believe they can be mobs in their corporate life. You mentioned too: 'Responsibility goes far deeper than sensationalizing issues that should not be sensationalized, it goes further than jumping...... I would like to ask, were you not 'sensationalising' your issues too? Here is an example from your blog: 'So here, I'd like fellow UPM-ers to speak up. Stand together against this other mob, this online mob that wants to tell the world that our alma mater is a lousy university, that the students who come out from that university learn nothing but bullying tactics......' Were you not a mob by saying those words above? To be truly neutral in comments is actually not to speak anything at all. This matter had been brought up and being highlighted to the public by the relevant parties. Actions had been taken too (I hope they did because there is not even a followup as to what had happened) and I guess, there is no further point for us to shout at something which is the past. I do not profess to say that I had always looked at issues on a balanced manner but then, I always try. Both you and the bloggers were right and wrong in certain ways. Those guys were wrong and they should not had berated the others but then, these words will mean nothing unless you seriously think that what they say is right. Ani Arope did not think so and certainly, you should not too. The job of lifting up the uni's name does not rest on your shoulders. It is the job of the head of uni and all the lecturers there. It seemed to me that you were so agitated by those monickers you failed to see that they are actually plain foolish by saying such things. At the current moment, it seemed that this issue had been conveniently swept under the carpet but then, it will never be resolved. Why? The uni is too afraid take any stern actions fearing they may incite a racial/political issue hence, giving in to this barbaric act. It may seem to be 'resolved' on the surface but beneath it, we would have to ask ourselves: Will another such similar case happen in the future taking advantage of the uni's non confrontational stand? Is our inter-racial tolerance that fragile? How does a bunch of students with such barbaric thoughts manage to get into universities? Are political parties brainwashing the students? How would you have felt if the victims turned out to be our children? Think Again.... Hi, your comments are brilliantly constructed. I believe that there are only a minority of bad hats out there but these guys actually needs to be dealt with utmost stern action. You see, I believe these bad hats are like ‘cancers’ simply because, their actions may instigate others to be the same. I would like to emphasise the word ‘may’. Individuals differ in their thinking but there are also other’s whom would follow the crowd. If these students are not shown that stern action will be taken against them, I believe there will be others who will think that the uni’s heads are all toothless and hence, UPM will lose respect and control on their students. Without respect and control, these so called graduates will move on to be ‘graduated mobsters’. Do you seriously think that the nation will benefit from these guys?

As for those bloggers which mentioned that those whom did not voice out about this issue, I guess they may have gone a little overboard BUT, they do deserve their merits too. Blogging is a good way to spread this issue out to the widest audience possible and hence, try to prevent the incidence of sweeping this issue under the carpet. Their intonation may be wrong, but I guess they did made a lot of people know about this issue. As you can see, there is not event a hint of news what had happened. WE as rakyat have a right to know what had happened because the FUTURE of the country lies in these bunch of supposedly graduates. If they can create mob rule in the UNI, I believe they can be mobs in their corporate life.

You mentioned too:

‘Responsibility goes far deeper than sensationalizing issues that should not be sensationalized, it goes further than jumping……

I would like to ask, were you not ’sensationalising’ your issues too? Here is an example from your blog:

‘So here, I’d like fellow UPM-ers to speak up. Stand together against this other mob, this online mob that wants to tell the world that our alma mater is a lousy university, that the students who come out from that university learn nothing but bullying tactics……’

Were you not a mob by saying those words above?

To be truly neutral in comments is actually not to speak anything at all. This matter had been brought up and being highlighted to the public by the relevant parties. Actions had been taken too (I hope they did because there is not even a followup as to what had happened) and I guess, there is no further point for us to shout at something which is the past. I do not profess to say that I had always looked at issues on a balanced manner but then, I always try. Both you and the bloggers were right and wrong in certain ways. Those guys were wrong and they should not had berated the others but then, these words will mean nothing unless you seriously think that what they say is right. Ani Arope did not think so and certainly, you should not too.

The job of lifting up the uni’s name does not rest on your shoulders. It is the job of the head of uni and all the lecturers there. It seemed to me that you were so agitated by those monickers you failed to see that they are actually plain foolish by saying such things.

At the current moment, it seemed that this issue had been conveniently swept under the carpet but then, it will never be resolved. Why? The uni is too afraid take any stern actions fearing they may incite a racial/political issue hence, giving in to this barbaric act. It may seem to be ‘resolved’ on the surface but beneath it, we would have to ask ourselves:

Will another such similar case happen in the future taking advantage of the uni’s non confrontational stand?

Is our inter-racial tolerance that fragile?

How does a bunch of students with such barbaric thoughts manage to get into universities?

Are political parties brainwashing the students?

How would you have felt if the victims turned out to be our children?

Think Again….

]]> By: sexywoman http://www.minishorts.net/2006/07/22/i-am-a-graduate-of-upm/#comment-22843 sexywoman Wed, 26 Jul 2006 08:30:07 +0000 http://www.minishorts.net/2006/07/22/i-am-a-graduate-of-upm/#comment-22843 sexyman, i heart you! you seem so smart....and sexy too! sexyman, i heart you! you seem so smart….and sexy too!

]]> By: JC17 http://www.minishorts.net/2006/07/22/i-am-a-graduate-of-upm/#comment-22834 JC17 Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:53:31 +0000 http://www.minishorts.net/2006/07/22/i-am-a-graduate-of-upm/#comment-22834 Your piece is a classic case of shooting the messenger which is equally bad as blaming the victim. This is clear a case of racism,these little brats copying their kris waving older brothers,a microcosm of the political reality in Malaysia. The authorities and some government politicians may try to whitewash this incident or give it a different spin.You guys should not be in denial.You may now have good jobs and good lives but what of your children? You are still young and you have the option to get out.Please act now. Your piece is a classic case of shooting the messenger which is equally bad as blaming the victim.
This is clear a case of racism,these little brats copying their kris waving older brothers,a microcosm of the political reality in Malaysia.
The authorities and some government politicians may try to whitewash this incident or give it a different spin.You guys should not be in denial.You may now have good jobs and good lives but what of your children? You are still young and you have the option to get out.Please act now.

]]> By: frostee http://www.minishorts.net/2006/07/22/i-am-a-graduate-of-upm/#comment-22830 frostee Tue, 25 Jul 2006 08:22:16 +0000 http://www.minishorts.net/2006/07/22/i-am-a-graduate-of-upm/#comment-22830 It is sad to see that some students care more about politics rather than being a learned individual, when being at varisity. Personally, they are merely pawns of political parties of this nation. Their passion for such nonsense indeed is disturbing as they are allowed to berate others without fear. Such imbecilic behaviours must not be condoned and those responsible should be severely punished for disturbing the peace and harmony that should exist in institutions of higher learning be it here or anywhere else. I would think that in other institutions overseas, expulsion would be the way to deal with such radical behaviour. I say no to such behaviour. It is sad to see that some students care more about politics rather than being a learned individual, when being at varisity. Personally, they are merely pawns of political parties of this nation. Their passion for such nonsense indeed is disturbing as they are allowed to berate others without fear. Such imbecilic behaviours must not be condoned and those responsible should be severely punished for disturbing the peace and harmony that should exist in institutions of higher learning be it here or anywhere else. I would think that in other institutions overseas, expulsion would be the way to deal with such radical behaviour.

I say no to such behaviour.

]]> By: DigiSniper http://www.minishorts.net/2006/07/22/i-am-a-graduate-of-upm/#comment-22828 DigiSniper Tue, 25 Jul 2006 05:26:13 +0000 http://www.minishorts.net/2006/07/22/i-am-a-graduate-of-upm/#comment-22828 Storm in a teacup if you ask me, it's all overblown. Storm in a teacup if you ask me, it’s all overblown.

]]> By: xpyre http://www.minishorts.net/2006/07/22/i-am-a-graduate-of-upm/#comment-22824 xpyre Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:20:58 +0000 http://www.minishorts.net/2006/07/22/i-am-a-graduate-of-upm/#comment-22824 If anything, the compounding of a ridiculous coursebook on ethnic relations with this video scandal have made people put two and two together. What sort of reaction did anyone seriously expect? We all sit around and make happy cakes with poppy seeds and such? Even if we assert that conflating a heavily-skewed coursebook with the thuggery in UPM is insupportable, I doubt few people will fail to make the connection between the <em>attitudes</em> that engendered such a coursebook and the now-infamous fracas between some students. Was howsy wrong in bringing up the issue? Well, now that you know that UPM was his alma mater also, maybe things look slightly different. (Btw, quite laudable that you're standing up for your alma mater; I would too. In fact, I'd write a stinging letter to your Vice Chancellor demanding why he was allowing such attrocious behaviour in UPM if I were you; you have as much right to the good name of your university as any current students.) If anything, the compounding of a ridiculous coursebook on ethnic relations with this video scandal have made people put two and two together. What sort of reaction did anyone seriously expect? We all sit around and make happy cakes with poppy seeds and such?

Even if we assert that conflating a heavily-skewed coursebook with the thuggery in UPM is insupportable, I doubt few people will fail to make the connection between the attitudes that engendered such a coursebook and the now-infamous fracas between some students.

Was howsy wrong in bringing up the issue? Well, now that you know that UPM was his alma mater also, maybe things look slightly different.

(Btw, quite laudable that you’re standing up for your alma mater; I would too. In fact, I’d write a stinging letter to your Vice Chancellor demanding why he was allowing such attrocious behaviour in UPM if I were you; you have as much right to the good name of your university as any current students.)

]]> By: ==mahasiswa== http://www.minishorts.net/2006/07/22/i-am-a-graduate-of-upm/#comment-22823 ==mahasiswa== Mon, 24 Jul 2006 04:40:45 +0000 http://www.minishorts.net/2006/07/22/i-am-a-graduate-of-upm/#comment-22823 We are a group of UPM students running a blog for Indian students. Like you, we are condeming any msg/info which is being spread without any investigation. As we hv mentioned in our blog, we will be no different than those pathetic souls who hv no idea what is this whole thing is about. ==mahasiswa== We are a group of UPM students running a blog for Indian students. Like you, we are condeming any msg/info which is being spread without any investigation.

As we hv mentioned in our blog, we will be no different than those pathetic souls who hv no idea what is this whole thing is about.

==mahasiswa==

]]> By: AWM user http://www.minishorts.net/2006/07/22/i-am-a-graduate-of-upm/#comment-22822 AWM user Mon, 24 Jul 2006 02:38:53 +0000 http://www.minishorts.net/2006/07/22/i-am-a-graduate-of-upm/#comment-22822 My wife is from UPM... I was educated abroad. She was there some 10 years ago... we randomly drive around the campus on weekends. After hearing much of her stories... I too began to fall in love with her higher education learning experience at UPM. Forget about all the talk about local U's being inferior... my wife is a superwoman and she is a product of our local U. She is balanced in every way... and I respect her more than any other woman I know. Watching the video clip really made me feel sad. I felt sad for her because I know how much she loves UPM... I also felt sad because not too long ago, I saw similar type of behaviour at my old secondary school. Poor social planning and structuring... racism meets gangsterism sort of thing (that was at my secondary school). Those kids weren't even 16... after some yelling from outsiders and adults... they kids ran off... I guess the really disturbing part is I don't see the authorities taking serious long-term action and committing to it. A lot of talk... a lot of "we'll set up an independant committee to study..."... a lot of talk... a lot of TALK! Really bothers me that a lot of these offenders are getting off with a slap on the wrist... no proper long-term repair/penalties, with good foundation to repair on. I am a Malaysian... proud to be one... but every time I see something like that... it makes me sick in the stomach. I know violence breeds more violence... but honestly if I saw my kids being treated like that... truly, I believe it is going to be hard for me to restrain myself. I believe that any man (even from upper echelons of society)... would do anything in his power to defend his loved ones... even with bare fists. ... so authorities/Government please do something. Action needs to be taken. Something much much more severe and of significant impact... National Service is just not going to cut it... a very sad... AWM user My wife is from UPM… I was educated abroad. She was there some 10 years ago… we randomly drive around the campus on weekends. After hearing much of her stories… I too began to fall in love with her higher education learning experience at UPM. Forget about all the talk about local U’s being inferior… my wife is a superwoman and she is a product of our local U. She is balanced in every way… and I respect her more than any other woman I know.

Watching the video clip really made me feel sad. I felt sad for her because I know how much she loves UPM… I also felt sad because not too long ago, I saw similar type of behaviour at my old secondary school. Poor social planning and structuring… racism meets gangsterism sort of thing (that was at my secondary school). Those kids weren’t even 16… after some yelling from outsiders and adults… they kids ran off…

I guess the really disturbing part is I don’t see the authorities taking serious long-term action and committing to it. A lot of talk… a lot of “we’ll set up an independant committee to study…”… a lot of talk… a lot of TALK! Really bothers me that a lot of these offenders are getting off with a slap on the wrist… no proper long-term repair/penalties, with good foundation to repair on.

I am a Malaysian… proud to be one… but every time I see something like that… it makes me sick in the stomach. I know violence breeds more violence… but honestly if I saw my kids being treated like that… truly, I believe it is going to be hard for me to restrain myself. I believe that any man (even from upper echelons of society)… would do anything in his power to defend his loved ones… even with bare fists.

… so authorities/Government please do something. Action needs to be taken. Something much much more severe and of significant impact… National Service is just not going to cut it…

a very sad…
AWM user

]]> By: Gentle Ethereal Musings http://www.minishorts.net/2006/07/22/i-am-a-graduate-of-upm/#comment-22820 Gentle Ethereal Musings Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:20:18 +0000 http://www.minishorts.net/2006/07/22/i-am-a-graduate-of-upm/#comment-22820 <strong>Social commentaries.</strong> Forgive me if my blog of lately has taken on a different kind of mood. You know, the whole pet-care business, comment on WC and other so-called not-important things in life. Forgive me if it seems like I don’t really care enough to highlight issu... Social commentaries.

Forgive me if my blog of lately has taken on a different kind of mood. You know, the whole pet-care business, comment on WC and other so-called not-important things in life.
Forgive me if it seems like I don’t really care enough to highlight issu…

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