life, love, *motherhood, and then more
Amen means yes, so say yes.
I recently got to know someone from a Charismatic church lately. She was cool and normal when we said hi, and then when I told her I attend church too, her character somehow transformed into an overwhelmingly loving and adoring sister-in-Christ, saying Amen to everything I said, as if suddenly some veil had been stripped off and Christianese was the common language between the two of us.
I'm not wanting to be provocative by writing that. I have my roots in a Charismatic Church. My dad's Charismatic, his family's very charismatic (there are pastors, counsellors and all). And yet even though her husband's Christian, my mum, well, my mum wouldn't have anything to do with Christianity thanks to the overwhelming emphasis on living the Spirit life, and was driven to the very last end of the backsliders association board room, arms folded with pursed lips. Sort of the reason why my parents are not together anymore.
Anyway before I get tempted to play the blame game, I must admit that I do adore the Charismatics, and by nature I am very charismatic. To put it mildly, had I not have my roots in charismaticism, I probably wouldn't have been able to relate to the figure of God as a real person, the presence of the Holy Spirit as utterly real and that Jesus Christ really lived, died, lived again. All of those stuff just would have been very textbook to me, just information for me to digest… so for me, being Christian requires a good fistful of charismaticism in order to truly embrace and welcome the heavy weight that comes with all that persecution that Christians are required to endure.
But being Charismatic in nature doesn't explicitly mean there is a requirement for me to attend a Church that embraces the Spirit only when it is bursting in flames. This is where I choose to deliberately become provocative, so if you're attending a Church that claims to be 'more spirit-filled' than another, be warned. You can stop reading now.
So back to my new friend from the very Charismatic church. I recall quite clearly telling her how being busy at work, family and extra-work activities didn't mean I had to sacrifice my spiritual life, and how the human body is made for such extraordinary capacities, I felt it was necessary to push myself as much as possible to make use of God-given time in the best way that I can.
'Wow! You're Christian too, do you attend church? I attend church too, it's XXXX XXXXXXX, its very very charismatic.'
And then she transformed from the prim and proper lady with crossed legs and straight back to someone who was now genuinely interested in what I thought about Christ. Legs now uncrossed, with a different kind of energy pumped into her being, she asked, 'SO where do you attend service?'
'I go to a church near my office, BLC, you know it? Yah. I've been there for a while now.'
'Really? Is it very charismatic too?' Said my new friend, hands flying all over the place.
'You could say that we're charismatically sound. Wait, what do you mean very charismatic?'
'You know,' she said, eyes sparkling. 'VERY CHARISMATIC. We have the holy spirit in us.'
'Oh that, yah He's here. Yah we are.'
'Oh AMEN! So where do you serve in church? '
'Well, whereever I can whenever they need me. I don't always get to attend Sunday service because I'm so busy,' I said. 'My job's in PR, plus I'm also here quite often.'
'How many days? I'm in the nursery, Children's ministry, youth (lost her somewhere here…), It's so busy lah…'
'Wow. So you can't find to do other things?'
'I don't think its necessary.'
'Well, you know we were not called to served in the church. We're called to serve the world.'
'Hahahaha…Amen, amen… so funny hahaha.'
Excuse me but did I say something wrong there?
'Anyway honestly, I feel what I'm doing at work, here, at the church, it's all answering His call,' I said in an attempt to 'speak her language'.
'Amen!'
'You get what I mean right?'
'Amen amen! Praise to God!'
'Okay..'
'Hahaha Amen!'
Eh hello, cannot say 'yes' is it?'
See this is what I seriously don't get, why is it NECESSARY to transform into some Christianese blurting weirdo when you meet up with Christians? Is it NECESSARY to be different in demeanour and language and say yes in Hebrew in order to qualify to be one of His children? And seriously, WHATEVER happened to being out there for people, salt of the world? Since when did Jesus come to save only Christians and therefore serving in ministry means only serving in the church?
Actually, I did say that last line to her, that I don't believe that ministry means only serving in the church, and that's why I make it a point to ensure my walk in Christ is extended to the people at work, most of whom are non-Christians.
'OH YOU'RE SPREADING THE GOSPEL IN THE WORK PLACE! Amen, amen hopefully more people will come to know Christ as personal saviour.'
-_-"
Lost cause. Sorry hoh, I just had to sound condescending and unChristian, kay?
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about 2 years ago
i once had a guy in my car who went either “halelujah” or “praise God”, forgot which one, everytime i made a turning or came to a stop.
and i’m a normal driver, not one of those scare ones.
about 2 years ago
AMEN! lol
about 2 years ago
Mini, glad to see you back again in your groove churning out thought-provoking post. This piece is wonderful, really.
I don’t know why charismatics (in general) tend to think of themselves as more superior as compared to other denominations like Methodist, Lutherans, catholics, and etc. Yes they do believe very strongly on the importance of spiritual life, but sometimes they tend to over-emphasized the spiritual side of things to the point where they forgotten they are still living on earth as human beings, flesh and blood.
And we are actually pushing people away rather than drawing them closer to the faith. Mind you, I’m a charismatic since I was a toddler. This is the problem the church (charismatic) is facing today. Overly-focus on the manifestation, sign and wonders, the EXPERIENCE, emotions they feel and actually forgotten the fundamentals of the Christian faith, “read your bible pray every day and you will grow, grow, growâ€.
(sorry got too excited, digress so far off track..haha)
Don’t you think it would be really boring, if every denominations of the Christian faith worship God the same way? Different denominations have different ways of approaching the faith and all this actually contributes to the notion that God is a CREATIVE GOD, He is creative, that is why we have people in different colours with different dialects.
If I may say this with full reverence to the ALMIGHTY GOD, sometimes charismatic christians may appear to be “more holier†than GOD HIMSELF.
I’m too long winded. -_-“. I know. I know.
Bless you,
alvin
about 2 years ago
Sorry to hear about your parents not being together anymore. My parents are from different religions too but they get along fine. Probably because my father isn’t practicing anymore.
Maybe that’s also the reason why I’m a Christian (well, that’s hat I thought I was) for the first 10 years of my life, and a Buddhist the next 10 (mom’s influence hehe). As for now, I think I’m more or less an atheist(cause not staying with parents most of the time).
But still, I believe it doesn’t matter what religion you’re in or whether you had one in the first place. As long as you don’t harm other people(and yourself) and live a life guided by good moral values, that’s good enough. But it’s just my personal opinion la.
about 2 years ago
I would say there are many forms of devotion to God,being charismatic would be one of it.The Spirit-filled life manifests itself in many ways, piety, silent devotion, charity,sacred theology,apologetics are different ways to show the same love for the same God.
about 2 years ago
All too pretentious. As though it’s some kind of secret club. God would be flipping if he knew what humans were doing to theology. That’s if I even believe in the notion of God in the first place.
I believe what’s important is that we try to be good people, true to ourselves and to others. Never mind all the frills and trappings of religion – so pathetically fake sometimes. But I guess, some people just need that sort of things to remind them to be good.
about 2 years ago
All I can say is thank God we’re not saved by our theology
about 2 years ago
Amen means ‘yes’? Thought it meant ‘So shall it be’.
But yeah, lots of Charismatics use it to mean YES or I AGREE etc.
Can be very annoying when ppl use it all the time, as though they’re trying to win extra Christian points in heaven by using it in every sentence [triple points for using it twice in one sentence].
If the Charismatics to invade, just lower the ceiling fans. I’ve always found that works!
[I shouldn't say that, I've attended many a Charo church in my day! lol]
As long as their not the ones that start claiming that only those who attend their church as saved, then I don’t mind them and am willing to put up with half a million ‘amens’ & ‘praise the Lords’ in a single conversation.
about 2 years ago
I thought it meant men are better than women
about 2 years ago
Hey there minishorts. I think this is one of my 1st times commenting here. Can I just personally tell you that its really refreshing and encouraging to read this post because there are just so many prominent local blogs I read by Christians who rant and rant about church and about how church is a lousy institution and all…blabla…gets quite discouraging and all…heh. I think its really great you’re honest about views on ‘iffy’ stuff like this Charismatic lady but still can laugh it off and move on with your Christian life stronger, if not unwavered. hehe. =)
Haha, I come from a semi-Charismatic church as I would put it. We believe in Charismatic teachings very much, just that we don’t practice as much I guess, but we are charismatically sound also lar. I hear you on this ‘charismatic’ lady. =) I’ve encountered many like that lar, and sometimes it is just down right annoying and I shake my head every time a non believer friend complains to me about someone like that…heh..sad when my own family does too (they’re not believers). I guess sometimes we just gotta smile and haha with them…in some strange ways, I actually believe God has a reason and purpose for them too. =)
Of course, here’s to a new generation who loves God and is socially sound to reach the world in relevant ways. =) Cheers! Off to church soon, its Sunday morning, =) Have a nice day
about 2 years ago
wow, i like your conclusion, the last line. thats how it suppose to be anyway isnt it? btw, i dont like ppl abusing the word amen, hallelujah, and so on hebrews word……
about 2 years ago
I used to attend a church where everyone would greet each other only with “praise God” and a stupid smile.
I got tired of it after some time and switched to “good morning.”
you won’t believe the confused looks I got, plus not a small number of stifled frowns.
haha. but now I’m in a church where we say “the peace of God be with you” and I’m fine with it.
I love the irony.
about 2 years ago
I use to attend church.
When they sing, I sit.
When he preach, I listen.
Is singing really that necessary? especially if its for like 1 hour? Oh My God, i said to myself
about 2 years ago
Is singing necessary?
Read Revelation and see what they’re doing in heaven… night and day and day and night… the same song…
about 2 years ago
to me, singing is not the question of necessary or not, its the matter of how you wanna show your feeling to God. if you are close to God, you will always wanna do something for Him. just like…. you love your mum, you will always wanna do something to please her, may be buy her this and that. but buying is not the only way to please her. so singing also is not a must in Church, but apart from singing, what else can we do to show the praise?may be considering sacrifice a cow or lamb….
about 2 years ago
Try attending the Catholic Church
about 2 years ago
Christians of all denominations are still the same as any other human. Imperfect.
I agree that there are some that tend to react as how this girl did, but I’d say a generalisation here is pretty unfair to all Charismatics.
about 2 years ago
As you know, I was a charismatic for a while, in the sense that I practised “charismania”, but eventhough I prefer not to attend charismatic churches anymore (sorrylah, too scary for me) I still consider myself charismatic in the sense that I believe that the Holy Spirit is working miracles till this day and I believe in the Gifts of the Spirit.
It used to get me irritated when people spout Christianese at me, but now I’m more patient and just smile and try to divert the conversation to more interesting topics like … the latest episode of Heroes.
about 2 years ago
erin it hurts because it is true. the thing about facing up is that it hurts also.
about 2 years ago
Charismatic is a man-made term.
The imp thing is do you know God and does God knows you?
Do you live a happy and a fulfilled life for God?
Will they put these on your tombstone “she served God’s purpose in her generation…”
Cheers,
Steven
about 2 years ago
the important ting steven is… the last line shouldn’t even matter…
who are you living for? what are you trying to prove?
sheesh.
about 2 years ago
Hi there, interesting blog (my first visit). This post definitely caught my eye. Confession: U know I went thru this phase once where I thought that anyone who was not ecstatic during music worship probably had a “dead” faith… sigh, that’s why it’s a called a journey I guess.
I like how Brian McLaren in Generous Orthodoxy made parallels of Charismatics and Contemplatives. (I paraphrase here, from what I can remember) Where the common thread is the pursuit of joy. For the Charismatics it’s in the extraordinary and Contemplatives its the joy in the ordinary things, in the fullness of meditation.
On another tangent, there’s always a socialisation aspect of conversion and joining a Christian community, and we pick up habits unconsciously.
All the best in wrestling and working out what “commitment” involves. It can be very beautiful…
God bless
about 2 years ago
We the christians should adopt universally the same worship or doing the things in church and should be applicable to one and all .
This way can build our own methodologies
about 1 year ago
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